Tucker's Kobolds and Pathfinder

[Luna]

(Side note/Disclaimer, I'm pulling answers out of my hat with little to no knowledge of Pathfinder.  I've just been playing D&D since grade school, and have read enough Pathfinder to survive character creation and a couple of sessions.)

[President Television]

Ok then, there are probably better ways to trap it. Eliminating the bonus but including the needle sounds effective enough, though I suppose it removes incentive to use the kobolds' treasure and trigger the trap in the first place. Maybe kobold crossbows could be worth less and therefore less likely to be used as vendor trash by the players? Or maybe you could scatter magic items about in the same fashion as in any other dungeon, but trap them. Which I suppose probably occurs often enough as it is.

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

[Luna]

Ok then, there are probably better ways to trap it. Eliminating the bonus but including the needle sounds effective enough, though I suppose it removes incentive to use the kobolds' treasure and trigger the trap in the first place. Maybe kobold crossbows could be worth less and therefore less likely to be used as vendor trash by the players? Or maybe you could scatter magic items about in the same fashion as in any other dungeon, but trap them. Which I suppose probably occurs often enough as it is.

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

My players usually don't deal with vendor trash.  Easy answer, bulky treasure.  If their treasure is a large, fragile urn, and they have to figure how to pack it out, they don't bother with crappy kobold weapons that nobody wants, anyway.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

There's an art to keeping a campaign going.  I feel a rant coming on.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ok then, there are probably better ways to trap it. Eliminating the bonus but including the needle sounds effective enough, though I suppose it removes incentive to use the kobolds' treasure and trigger the trap in the first place. Maybe kobold crossbows could be worth less and therefore less likely to be used as vendor trash by the players? Or maybe you could scatter magic items about in the same fashion as in any other dungeon, but trap them. Which I suppose probably occurs often enough as it is.

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

My players usually don't deal with vendor trash.  Easy answer, bulky treasure.  If their treasure is a large, fragile urn, and they have to figure how to pack it out, they don't bother with crappy kobold weapons that nobody wants, anyway.

Item spell deals with that, or floating disc.

But it's sometimes a good idea to train the wizard into carrying some utility spells.

[Luna]

Ok then, there are probably better ways to trap it. Eliminating the bonus but including the needle sounds effective enough, though I suppose it removes incentive to use the kobolds' treasure and trigger the trap in the first place. Maybe kobold crossbows could be worth less and therefore less likely to be used as vendor trash by the players? Or maybe you could scatter magic items about in the same fashion as in any other dungeon, but trap them. Which I suppose probably occurs often enough as it is.

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

My players usually don't deal with vendor trash.  Easy answer, bulky treasure.  If their treasure is a large, fragile urn, and they have to figure how to pack it out, they don't bother with crappy kobold weapons that nobody wants, anyway.

Item spell deals with that, or floating disc.

But it's sometimes a good idea to train the wizard into carrying some utility spells.

Yup.  But when your mage loads up on damage-dealing spells instead of balancing 'em with useful spells like that...

And the one time bright boy decided to bring an Item spell... they found a very valuable, reasonably fragile chess set... with halfling sized pieces.  (Ceramic, set with gems.  Yep, the gems got pried out and taken, and they ate the value of the pieces, whining the whole way.)

Also, I can be a bitch about cashing in on non-coin treasures.  Gems, sure, easy, buyers can be found, but artwork...  That can be tough.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ok then, there are probably better ways to trap it. Eliminating the bonus but including the needle sounds effective enough, though I suppose it removes incentive to use the kobolds' treasure and trigger the trap in the first place. Maybe kobold crossbows could be worth less and therefore less likely to be used as vendor trash by the players? Or maybe you could scatter magic items about in the same fashion as in any other dungeon, but trap them. Which I suppose probably occurs often enough as it is.

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

My players usually don't deal with vendor trash.  Easy answer, bulky treasure.  If their treasure is a large, fragile urn, and they have to figure how to pack it out, they don't bother with crappy kobold weapons that nobody wants, anyway.

Item spell deals with that, or floating disc.

But it's sometimes a good idea to train the wizard into carrying some utility spells.

Yup.  But when your mage loads up on damage-dealing spells instead of balancing 'em with useful spells like that...

And the one time bright boy decided to bring an Item spell... they found a very valuable, reasonably fragile chess set... with halfling sized pieces.  (Ceramic, set with gems.  Yep, the gems got pried out and taken, and they ate the value of the pieces, whining the whole way.)

Also, I can be a bitch about cashing in on non-coin treasures.  Gems, sure, easy, buyers can be found, but artwork...  That can be tough.

That's kinda cheap, unless you're doing it to hook them into dealing with a fence.

[LMNO]

What sort of saving roll is there for applied chemistry?


Like, knowing that Item A (non-magical) will have a volitile effect when it comes into contact with Item B (also non-magical), or even Environment B?

Because that could make for interesting treasure/dungeon interactions.

[Luna]

Ok then, there are probably better ways to trap it. Eliminating the bonus but including the needle sounds effective enough, though I suppose it removes incentive to use the kobolds' treasure and trigger the trap in the first place. Maybe kobold crossbows could be worth less and therefore less likely to be used as vendor trash by the players? Or maybe you could scatter magic items about in the same fashion as in any other dungeon, but trap them. Which I suppose probably occurs often enough as it is.

I have very little experience with DnD, as in I've never played in a campaign that got to level 4. Not because of any TPK, but because it just never worked out. So I don't really know what I'm doing.

My players usually don't deal with vendor trash.  Easy answer, bulky treasure.  If their treasure is a large, fragile urn, and they have to figure how to pack it out, they don't bother with crappy kobold weapons that nobody wants, anyway.

Item spell deals with that, or floating disc.

But it's sometimes a good idea to train the wizard into carrying some utility spells.

Yup.  But when your mage loads up on damage-dealing spells instead of balancing 'em with useful spells like that...

And the one time bright boy decided to bring an Item spell... they found a very valuable, reasonably fragile chess set... with halfling sized pieces.  (Ceramic, set with gems.  Yep, the gems got pried out and taken, and they ate the value of the pieces, whining the whole way.)

Also, I can be a bitch about cashing in on non-coin treasures.  Gems, sure, easy, buyers can be found, but artwork...  That can be tough.

That's kinda cheap, unless you're doing it to hook them into dealing with a fence.

Yeah, they can usually deal with somebody who's willing to take it on spec...  Jewelry can be sold to the local jeweler, taking into account he'll want to mark it up for resale, for example.  (Some of my players are bright enough to hang on to at least some of their jewelry for portability and bribes.)  And, if they're creative in selling the stuff, I grant bonus exps for RP brilliance.

[Requia ☣]

What sort of saving roll is there for applied chemistry?


Like, knowing that Item A (non-magical) will have a volitile effect when it comes into contact with Item B (also non-magical), or even Environment B?

Because that could make for interesting treasure/dungeon interactions.

Interesting thought, I suppose it would be an alchemy roll.  And then only if they actually inspected the loot, instead of just grabbing everything that isn't nailed down and checking it later.

I figured out the murder holes.

Hallway with a spiked ceiling, Small bipeds have to crouch, mediums have to crawl.  (there will be a second route, but the ceiling will be rigged to collapse, blocking the path and acting as a crushing trap).

Longspears through the murder holes.  -4 AC for squeezing through a tight space, -4 from melee attacks for being prone (-2 for small chars).  Attackers will be getting +1 from high ground, and +2 from flanking (except the rogue).  For a total of +11 attack.

Also, I need a good +2 or +3 template for use on dire lions that won't interfere with their rake or pounce abilities.  Preferably this should be something that can be chalked up to the kobold sorcs creating abominations of nature.

[Sister Fracture]

Fiendish (+1) , and give them more racial HD to increase their CR.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Fiendish (+1) , and give them more racial HD to increase their CR.

Not really feasible for a whole tribe.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What sort of saving roll is there for applied chemistry?


Like, knowing that Item A (non-magical) will have a volitile effect when it comes into contact with Item B (also non-magical), or even Environment B?

Because that could make for interesting treasure/dungeon interactions.

Depends on the effect.

If it's a poison, it's a fortitude save, balanced for the group.

If it's asplodey, it's a reflex save, etc.

[Richter]

What sort of saving roll is there for applied chemistry?


Like, knowing that Item A (non-magical) will have a volitile effect when it comes into contact with Item B (also non-magical), or even Environment B?

Because that could make for interesting treasure/dungeon interactions.

Interesting thought, I suppose it would be an alchemy roll.  And then only if they actually inspected the loot, instead of just grabbing everything that isn't nailed down and checking it later.

I figured out the murder holes.

Hallway with a spiked ceiling, Small bipeds have to crouch, mediums have to crawl.  (there will be a second route, but the ceiling will be rigged to collapse, blocking the path and acting as a crushing trap).

Longspears through the murder holes.  -4 AC for squeezing through a tight space, -4 from melee attacks for being prone (-2 for small chars).  Attackers will be getting +1 from high ground, and +2 from flanking (except the rogue).  For a total of +11 attack.

Also, I need a good +2 or +3 template for use on dire lions that won't interfere with their rake or pounce abilities.  Preferably this should be something that can be chalked up to the kobold sorcs creating abominations of nature.

Right on.  Alchemy skill check if it's a purposeful attempt to make a reaction that isn't otherwise occuring.

Like with Roger's block of sodium over a pond trap (aside from the ants and the lobster), I'd say whether the substance of a treasure interacted badly with the environment would be a matter of how well the PC's packed it, and adjust the probability for it to react appropriately.
(If anyone has any applicable skills, I will ask for skill checks to have them "remember" safe handling instructions.)

Example: Party finds a crate of dynamite.  Oldschool dynamite.  If they take the time to wrap it in an oilcloth sack, no worries.  
If they don't, and say.. pass through a foggy marshland or other humid environ for a certain amount of time, then the nitro in the dynamite will recondense on the outisde of the tubes (VERY voaltile.)  Any bad handling, or failure against a trip, slam, or charge attack, (basically anythign which would cause a sudden shock) now sets it off, and we roll up damage for teh whole box at once.

[Sister Fracture]

Fiendish (+1) , and give them more racial HD to increase their CR.

Not really feasible for a whole tribe.

For a pride of lions? Sure it would!

Boss Sorc makes Dire Lion 1 and Dire Lion 2 Fiendish with diabolical magical rituals.

Dire Lion 1 and 2 have babies.

A pride is formed!