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Native Americans "morally disqualified" from controlling America, apparently

Started by Cain, February 09, 2011, 06:03:58 PM

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Cain

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QuoteIn all the discussions about the European settlement of the New World, one feature has been conspicuously absent: the role that the superstition, savagery and sexual immorality of native Americans played in making them morally disqualified from sovereign control of American soil.

International legal scholars have always recognized that sovereign control of land is legitimately transferred in at least three ways: settlement, purchase, and conquest. Europeans have to this day a legitimate claim on American soil for all three of those reasons. 

They established permanent settlements on the land, moving gradually from east to west, while Indian tribes remained relentlessly nomadic. 

Much of the early territory in North American that came into possession of the Europeans came into their possession when the land was purchased from local tribes, Peter Minuit's purchase of Manhattan being merely the first.

And the Europeans proved superior in battle, taking possession of contested lands through right of conquest. So in all respects, Europeans gained rightful and legal sovereign control of American soil.

But another factor has rarely been discussed, and that is the moral factor.

In the ancient tradition of the Hebrews, God made it clear to Abraham that the land of Canaan was promised to his descendants. But he told Abraham the transfer of land to his heirs could not happen for 400 years, for one simple reason: "[T]he iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete" (Gen. 15:16).

The Amorites, or Canaanite peoples, practiced one moral abomination after another, whether it was incest, adultery, sexual immorality, homosexuality, bestiality or child sacrifice, and God finally said "Enough!"

By the time he brought the nascent nation of Israel to the borders of the land flowing with milk and honey, he had already been patient with the native tribes for 400 years, waiting for them to come to the place of repentance for their socially and spiritually degrading practices.

His patience was not rewarded, and finally the day came when the sin had reached its full measure. The slop bucket was full, and it was time to empty it out. Israel under Joshua was God's custodian to empty the bucket and start over.

The native American tribes at the time of the European settlement and founding of the United States were, virtually without exception, steeped in the basest forms of superstition, had been guilty of savagery in warfare for hundreds of years, and practiced the most debased forms of sexuality.

Yeah, it's a good thing America was never invaded by superstitious, sexual perverts who were savage in warfare.

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Cain

Who will tell the Chinook they are not real Native Americans?  For apparently:

QuoteIndian tribes remained relentlessly nomadic.

Yeah, all of them.  IN YOUR FACE, historical research!

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Quote from: Cain on February 09, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
Who will tell the Chinook they are not real Native Americans?  For apparently:

QuoteIndian tribes remained relentlessly nomadic.

Yeah, all of them.  IN YOUR FACE, historical research!

Yeah, and cliff dwellings were just summer homes.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cain on February 09, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
Who will tell the Chinook they are not real Native Americans?  For apparently:

QuoteIndian tribes remained relentlessly nomadic.

Yeah, all of them.  IN YOUR FACE, historical research!

"Relentlessly nomadic"?

IMA CHARGIN' MAH PONY!   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

By this guy's argument, BTW, most of the republican leadership is unfit to govern.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

My objections to this piece are actually longer than the piece itself.  It's that bad.

Also, check out the idiots cheering the writer along, in the comments below.

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: Cain on February 09, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
Who will tell the Chinook they are not real Native Americans?  For apparently:

QuoteIndian tribes remained relentlessly nomadic.

Yeah, all of them.  IN YOUR FACE, historical research!

Aztecs, Incans, Mayans....

Oh wait, that wasn't the US. So it's ok to ask the Mexicans and Peruvians to take it a step further and go back to Spain. I get the game now.
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Requia ☣

Er... weren't nomadic tribes the exception rather than rule, even in America/Canada?  :?
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 09, 2011, 06:20:05 PM
Er... weren't nomadic tribes the exception rather than rule, even in America/Canada?  :?

The Plains Indians were fairly nomadic, out of necessity. Even then many tribes followed established routes, often returning to the same winter homes and summer hunting grounds.

Nephew Twiddleton

The Iroquois were fairly settled, as were their neighboring tribes, if I recall.
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Quote from: Charley Brown on February 09, 2011, 06:24:57 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on February 09, 2011, 06:20:05 PM
Er... weren't nomadic tribes the exception rather than rule, even in America/Canada?  :?

The Plains Indians were fairly nomadic, out of necessity. Even then many tribes followed established routes, often returning to the same winter homes and summer hunting grounds.

Yeah, so were the Shoshone, but I still think nomadic natives were the exception.  Hell permanent dwellings go back thousands of years in this part of the country.
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Quote from: Cain on February 09, 2011, 06:15:13 PM
My objections to this piece are actually longer than the piece itself.  It's that bad.

Also, check out the idiots cheering the writer along, in the comments below.

I agree.