The Movie "The Matrix" And Your View of it Before and After Eris.

Started by Icey, February 24, 2011, 06:51:26 AM

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Quote from: Sigmatic on February 24, 2011, 08:52:54 PM
I think the whole thing could have been great if A) it wasn't trying to be a great action flick and a towering riddle of symbology, and B) I think everyone can agree, suffered from less gratuitous use of Keanu.

I did like the Merovingian.  He seems like my kind of fun.

His scenes were decent, but only because they included the best part of both sequels - Monica Bellucci's cleavage.
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You know what Keanu movie I've seen lately that completely blown my mind further than the matrix trilogy ever did?

Point Break.

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THIS MOVIE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
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Quote from: Lies on February 25, 2011, 12:02:56 AM
You know what Keanu movie I've seen lately that completely blown my mind further than the matrix trilogy ever did?

Point Break.

WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I ACCIDENTLY FOUND IT??
THIS MOVIE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

:lulz:  Totally, dude.
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1st matrix movie was the nads. Symbolism? Why bother? Attaching symbolism to it doesn't make the bullet-time gunfights any cooler the way I see it. 2nd and 3rd movies? They went all out for symbolism and this marginalised the violence. Much less cool to the point of being complete shit. See what I mean?

You want symbolism, read some fucking philosophy. You want bullet-time gunfights and chicks in pvc catsuits, watch a movie. Horses for courses. Never the twain shall meet.

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I think the Matrix movie makes a couple good analogies with the whole 'waking up' idea. Its not unique to Discordia, but certainly it does have some similarities.

Mostly, the responsibility of waking people up... right now most of these poor sods are living in their 9 to 5, homeowner association (well for the people still with homes), shirt and tie, IRA, 401K reality. If we give them the Red Pill... what do we offer them? A half burned out hole, where reality is a machine desperately trying to survive on human energy.

Maybe its good to wake them up, maybe its bad... either way its a responsibility that ya gotta consider.

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anybody remember Matrixism:lulz:




btw, the best Matrix movie was Commando, with Schwarzenegger as John Matrix


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Quote from: Sigmatic on February 24, 2011, 08:52:54 PM
I think the whole thing could have been great if A) it wasn't trying to be a great action flick and a towering riddle of symbology, and B) I think everyone can agree, suffered from less gratuitous use of Keanu.

I did like the Merovingian.  He seems like my kind of fun.

I liked the trilogy in general (1st really good, 2nd terrible, 3rd decent) but I totally agree with this, especially the part about the Merovingian being the best character.
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Quote from: Lies on February 25, 2011, 12:02:56 AM
You know what Keanu movie I've seen lately that completely blown my mind further than the matrix trilogy ever did?

Point Break.

WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I ACCIDENTLY FOUND IT??
THIS MOVIE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

also, this.

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Though in all fairness, it should be pointed out that Point Break is a Patrick Swayze movie.

Also, it should be pointed out that Point Break inspired Travis Pastrana to do the "jumping from a plane with no chute and diving down to catch the guy with the chute" stunt IN REAL LIFE FOR REAL. Single most awesome thing a human being has ever done, IMO.
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I liked the first matrix because the ideas in it were kind of new to me at the time. I wondered about the "what if everything was a simulation?" concept now and then, but I never had a proper philosophy class yet, and I'm not sure whether I had seen other similar movies (like Existenz) yet, but the matrix left a bigger impact, somehow. Probably because of bullet time and "need guns, lots of guns" and "I know kung fu" etc etc, it was both the philosophical idea as well as being packed in a highly entertaining action film.

I didn't like the second part much. They put too many "ghosts" in it, and I thought the merovingian was a dick. First one just had the oracle and the magic resurrection kiss, and the rest was all high-tec scifi stuff.

The third one was cool again because it had loads of action stuff again, and loads and loads of Agent Smith in it. I liked Smith, he was my favourite character. Not because he was "good" or "right" or anything, probably just because the actor did a brilliant job at it. Especially the monologue bit in the first episode (when he interrogates Morpheus--big fat Morpheus whose sweat indeed probably did smell horrible).
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Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects.  Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects.  Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick

Cain

Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects.  Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects.  Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick

Incidentally, my opinion of Inception is exactly the same.

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Quote from: Triple Zero on February 25, 2011, 08:50:47 PM
I liked the first matrix because the ideas in it were kind of new to me at the time. I wondered about the "what if everything was a simulation?" concept now and then, but I never had a proper philosophy class yet, and I'm not sure whether I had seen other similar movies (like Existenz) yet, but the matrix left a bigger impact, somehow. Probably because of bullet time and "need guns, lots of guns" and "I know kung fu" etc etc, it was both the philosophical idea as well as being packed in a highly entertaining action film.

I didn't like the second part much. They put too many "ghosts" in it, and I thought the merovingian was a dick. First one just had the oracle and the magic resurrection kiss, and the rest was all high-tec scifi stuff.

The third one was cool again because it had loads of action stuff again, and loads and loads of Agent Smith in it. I liked Smith, he was my favourite character. Not because he was "good" or "right" or anything, probably just because the actor did a brilliant job at it. Especially the monologue bit in the first episode (when he interrogates Morpheus--big fat Morpheus whose sweat indeed probably did smell horrible).


Smith was the best of them all.  As to when he had Morpheus, I was hoping they would kill him.
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