Religous Argumentationating

[Placid Dingo]

Dingo, I say not to use the bible because: The bible is absolute truth. How do we know? The bible is the word of god. How do we know? The bible says its the word of god. How do we know its right? Because its absolute truth. And so on.
Also, belief within Discordianism must vary to some extent.
Nailing people to things is fun, there is a reason nobody here will ever ever actually know my real name.
Rules are there just to avoid immediate raging.
Logic = "I believe x because y, this is how it makes sense to me" as opposed to "My priest/pastor/??? said x, so i said okay" or "x:xx says y, so it must be true"
Requia, kinda missed the irony in rule 1 that bypasses everything else, aaand the 4th one is a restatement of one of the overall rules for the forum.

Like I said and Faust repeated, this thread isnt about Wicca, its about what you people believe. I said I'm Wiccan (eclectic, so you still dont really know what i think past the general idea) just because.

I don't like to discuss my religion publically, but I agree on Fausts point that it's not a write off thread so I'll put the effort in.

I tend to vary between identifying as Anglican and Discordian, or simultaneously both, or neither. I think there's a beauty in embracing a system of belief and all that comes with it. I love ritual and narrative and belief. I think irs ridiculous that people who suspend belief long enough to read their horoscopes can be so black and white on religious beliefs they disagree with. Especially the 'fuck the pope, burn the church, put up lots of Tibeten prayer flags' crew, who frankly would be wearing crucifixes and saying 'fuck the llama' if they lived in a Buddhist society.

I think the bible is a good reference point for Christians, and the validity thereof a good point of contention, if an argument is what you seek.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Getting back to the wiccan thing, what exactly makes you think that your mahdgick works?

I think he said he didn't think magic worked.

[pH]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

[Da6s]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

So when you spellweave is it because you're just too lazy to masturbate?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

King James is a Protestant text.

[Nast]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

So when you spellweave is it because you're just too lazy to masturbate?

Now I'm confused as to which one is more rigorous.

[East Coast Hustle]

Woo =D
You will eventually get to see my shoop da whoop of  a tomahawk.

Don't get too excited, you don't know why I care. Anyway, to answer the OP:

I am also a filthy Pagan, like yourself. My beliefs are subject to change, but the basic idea is amoral force behind the universe and immortality of souls. I believe these two basic things primarily because it has psychological benefits for me. I don't like the idea having to die someday. "God" has to be amoral, or at least not care/not notice the details mainly because shitty stuff happens.

You don't need to be a filthy pagan for that, Blight. You could just be a Deist.

[East Coast Hustle]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

So, in other words, you're not really a wiccan at all, you just like to call yourself that in hopes that it will increase your chances to mate with smelly unshaven pagan girls.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Woo =D
You will eventually get to see my shoop da whoop of  a tomahawk.

Don't get too excited, you don't know why I care. Anyway, to answer the OP:

I am also a filthy Pagan, like yourself. My beliefs are subject to change, but the basic idea is amoral force behind the universe and immortality of souls. I believe these two basic things primarily because it has psychological benefits for me. I don't like the idea having to die someday. "God" has to be amoral, or at least not care/not notice the details mainly because shitty stuff happens.

You don't need to be a filthy pagan for that, Blight. You could just be a Deist.

True that, but I have weak polytheistic tendencies along with items 1 and 2.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

So, in other words, you're not really a wiccan at all, you just like to call yourself that in hopes that it will increase your chances to mate with smelly unshaven pagan girls.

[pH]

Well, fappage is more tiring me-time, workings are more quiet me-time.

For the bibles, unless its the original text, its has minor mistranslations that get compounded with every translation, so the current bibles you can go to the store and buy are highly unlikely to be the same as the original. Even then, it doesnt seem like the best 'moral compass'-
For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).  God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there.  He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).  He orders another attack and the killing of "all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses" (Joshua 6).  In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married.  When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife.

Aaand im not going incredibly in-depth into my belief system right now, but it lines up with a mildly gardnerian form of wicca

[Phox]

Yeah, I dont think magick really works, its just me-time.

As far as the bible is concerned, the current King James something-or-other isnt the original text, its specifically the parts the Catholic church chose that best supported their beliefs.

Now, the original texts I would consider, but not the current King James thing.

You fail the history of the Bible. So, right now, you are looking incredibly amateurish, in my estimation. FOr one, I have a copy of the New Testament, in Koine Greek, in my hand right now. And, as most people here will tell you, I can read it.

So, were I inclined to argue from a Christian point of view (I'm not), I could in fact take you up on your offer to use "The original texts". Problem, not everyone can do that, so you seem like you are simply hedging your bets so noone will attempt to use the Bible in their arguments.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You're making a mistake here ph.

The Bible gets retranslated frequently. A lot of times they have footnotes explaining that a particular word was used in a certain spot and put it into context. It's not like Bibles are translations of translations of translations. they are direct translations of the original texts

ETA: that's why there are so many versions of it. Multiple translations of the same text.

If you wanted to talk about the Bible excluding, say, the Gospel of Thomas, ok that's fine. But also, when the Bible was collated in the form that it is in now, it was after a council of Bishops figured out which Christian texts were getting the most readers. It's not like some old dudes decided that this particular book makes this thing look good so, let's add that. No, it was more to try and cut down on inconsistency and inability to grab the reader's attention.

[Placid Dingo]

Ignore me, I blame tapatalk. There were only two pages when I posted I swear.

[Phox]

Ignore me, I blame tapatalk. There were only two pages when I posted I swear.

S'all good. We swung back to the topic at hand.