CRAMULUS

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Have I been shit flinging up to this point? I'm just asking you to stop talking now because your incredible ignorance and naivete is embarrassing to witness. I can't even address it... I'm hoping someone else will.

Well I'll make sure that the friends I met are aware of how bad those deep tans can be for their health. I mean the whole village had kind of an olive tone to it, I can't imagine the skin cancer rates... and those poor sods from the kurdish areas must really hit the tanning booths...

I'll also let my friends who are black know that they have no culture that is based heavily on chirstianity. I'm sure that they will appreciate that their perceptons of religion are terribly uninformed and flawed.

Thanks for the corrections Nigel. I don't know what I would ever do without your wisdom.

ETA: I'll also let them know that growing up as poor Muslims in a small fishing village is analogous to being privileged white middle-class Americans. I'm sure they will agree.

You're really projecting, here, and assuming a lot. Please, like I said, before, stop talking; you're just making yourself look worse.

Projecting what exactly?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Now you're just responding to try to pick a fight. I'm going to ignore you, as you are adding no content here.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Now you're just responding to try to pick a fight. I'm going to ignore you, as you are adding no content here.

I'm actually trying to figure out what is so offensive and ignorant about what I said. I don't want to seem ignorant, but I still can't see what the issue is... so err, I was really asking for you to clarify rather than just say"You're ignorant", "you're projecting"...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The PD is not just a white thing though... Purple Eris is a Turk and she's embraced Discordianism, so have some of her friends. Over at MLA, there are people from a number of countries... or at least there were back in the day when it was really active. Discordianism is far larger than this forum... and this forum is good for a specific kind of Discordian. From my experience its not the kind of Discordians that tend to pop up in countries outside of the US (angry, middle class, privileged and itching for someone to knock the apple chip off of their shoulder). If we want diversity, we have to accept diversity. We tend to accept variety more easily than diversity, IMO. That is, small variations from the core are fine... but someone who decides that Eris is their goddess... or that fnords are really funny or that dada is their thing.... this isn't the kind of place they'll find a welcome.

Reread this and see if you can figure it out. I can give you a couple hints; you are not proving your false premise with your false comparisons.

[East Coast Hustle]

In all fairness, if you're gonna go up one side of Rat and down the other like that you should probably clarify why.

I mean, I'm a little unsure of your premise myself, and I'm not usually hesitant about busting Rat's balls.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The PD is not just a white thing though... Purple Eris is a Turk and she's embraced Discordianism, so have some of her friends. Over at MLA, there are people from a number of countries... or at least there were back in the day when it was really active. Discordianism is far larger than this forum... and this forum is good for a specific kind of Discordian. From my experience its not the kind of Discordians that tend to pop up in countries outside of the US (angry, middle class, privileged and itching for someone to knock the apple chip off of their shoulder). If we want diversity, we have to accept diversity. We tend to accept variety more easily than diversity, IMO. That is, small variations from the core are fine... but someone who decides that Eris is their goddess... or that fnords are really funny or that dada is their thing.... this isn't the kind of place they'll find a welcome.

Somewhere in his post I think he is addressing some valid points, but he manages to completely shoot them in the foot with the following:

1. He uses PurpleEris as an example of some kind of point about nonwhites embracing Discordianism. Now, there are several nonwhites on this forum, but PurpleEris is not one of them. We've all seen her pics. If she's not "white", racially speaking, just because she's Turkish, then neither is 000, nor teh whole troupe of Britspags, and if we're going to redefine "white" to mean "non-American", then this whole conversation may as well be scrapped because potato the yellow fandangle.

Then on top of that was his completely ass-grabbed premise that because black people are more likely to be Baptist, therefore they are less likely than white people to rebel against their upbringings, and somehow also those that do are less likely to think for themselves.  

WTF Ratatosk, just WTF. On both points.

WTF.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, and perhaps he wants to turn this thread into a semantic argument over whether the more Arab faction of the native Turkish population are Caucasian or Asian.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

The PD is not just a white thing though... Purple Eris is a Turk and she's embraced Discordianism, so have some of her friends. Over at MLA, there are people from a number of countries... or at least there were back in the day when it was really active. Discordianism is far larger than this forum... and this forum is good for a specific kind of Discordian. From my experience its not the kind of Discordians that tend to pop up in countries outside of the US (angry, middle class, privileged and itching for someone to knock the apple chip off of their shoulder). If we want diversity, we have to accept diversity. We tend to accept variety more easily than diversity, IMO. That is, small variations from the core are fine... but someone who decides that Eris is their goddess... or that fnords are really funny or that dada is their thing.... this isn't the kind of place they'll find a welcome.

Somewhere in his post I think he is addressing some valid points, but he manages to completely shoot them in the foot with the following:

1. He uses PurpleEris as an example of some kind of point about nonwhites embracing Discordianism. Now, there are several nonwhites on this forum, but PurpleEris is not one of them. We've all seen her pics. If she's not "white", racially speaking, just because she's Turkish, then neither is 000, nor teh whole troupe of Britspags, and if we're going to redefine "white" to mean "non-American", then this whole conversation may as well be scrapped because potato the yellow fandangle.

Then on top of that was his completely ass-grabbed premise that because black people are more likely to be Baptist, therefore they are less likely than white people to rebel against their upbringings, and somehow also those that do are less likely to think for themselves.  

WTF Ratatosk, just WTF. On both points.

WTF.

Well, I can see how you might have interpreted it that way. I should have clarified and stated that while PE is lightly olive, some of her friends that I met who have embraced Discordianism are from the darker skinned parts of Turkey. As for arguing white privilege... I am still not convinced that we can say *insert any ethnicity and if they have light colored skin they have white privilege". Surely a Muslim childhood in a very different country, with very different social and cultural views on race would be something other than white privilege as being discussed here. However, I take your critisizm and I should have stated very clearly that some of the Discordians I met were dark skinned and not simply white.

As for the religious comment, that was based on conversations I have had over the years with some non-white pagans in the US (I mean this isn't the first time that the question has come up and some neo-pagans also wonder why there isn't more diversity) and well as a number of my friends. When I talked about Discordia and Eris a few of my friends were visibly uncomfortable and when I asked why, they said that it was kinda sacrilegious. Now, I don't expect my experiences to entail the whole of every African American on the continent, and I apologize if it sounded like I was generalizing that way.

Thanks for clarifying what you found so offensive in my posts.

[Triple Zero]

Hey Ratatosk, Turks are white, you retard. Just saying.

Then what do you mean by "white"? I thought it was mostly about skin colour, and quite a few of them have skin about just as dark as yours? (as far as I can judge from your pics, maybe IRL it's different)

Sorry if I'm being ignorant.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

White is defined as "Everyone except Samuel Jackson and Nina Simone."

That is all.

[Freeky]

So you're saying the Upsidedown People could be anywhere?  

[Triple Zero]

So you're saying Nina Simone isn't Turkish?

[BadBeast]

Rastas are generally extremely leery of anything Pagan or New age,  but when you think about it, their whole outlook is Old Testament, and they set a great deal of stock in those old time Prophets, like Ezekiel, Daniel, Obidiah, and Solomon. You just cant get more Fundamentalist than a Fundamentalist Rastafarian. Witches Oracles, Warlocks, Online Astrologers, Gays, Wiccans, Menstruating women, Oh no.

"Mi not never tek nuh raggy road Sistren, nuh keep nuh batty man frend, Mi nuh ina nuttin wid nuh Duppy man, nuh Obeah man, dem all g'wan bun up ina fiyah. Babalon haffi kip papers pon dem,  Jah Jah mek im Hola fiyah rain down 'pon dem yaw, I an I Bredrin, si dem all gwan to Hell,  I an I Bredrin all steppin' clean, wi g'wan si Jah Jah Kingdom come, seen, yaw"

All those Deep South "Tent Revival" Fundies, are like Church of England coffee morning Vicars compared to hardline countryman Dreadlock Rastas. They wouldn't use a burning Witch to light a stick of Lamb's Bread, let alone have any truck with white middle class Pagans.
They're up there with Islamic Jihadists, & Taleban Imams,  when it comes to interacting with other faiths in a spirit of tolerance and love. The only thing that perhaps makes them less  high profile on every "No Fly" list, (Apart from them not getting on any Rasclaaht Airplane) is that they don't have a charter that says they have to take Jah, and spread his Reign to the Infidel. They are content to await his coming. But they won't be doing it around any Discordian Cabals.

I don't think Obiah  or Santeria, or any of the Carribbean syncretic Religions have any qualms about mixing with Pagans or anyone else for that matter. Apart from the fact that the Witchcraft influence that runs through them all is African rather than European, (Oh, and the animal sacrifices) they're pretty similar to Wiccans anyway. Or Eclectic Pagans at least, in that they are a merging of different faiths anyway. But probably less lulzy, and more grounded in their tradition than your average Wiccan. They have their own Trickster Archetypes too, so Discordianism would probably fit right in down their way. They are vibrant, dynamic, and participatory faiths, and not that big on Dogma either, more Mystical than Canonical too. Which is probably good

I think maybe one of you Yankspags could perhaps have a bit of a further look into this, just out of interest, and see if there could be any kind of crossover between our paleface adherents, and any spiritually compatible, but less melanin deficient  demographic from some Santerian /Hoodoo/Voudon groups. Could be a very interesting Cultural experience. Or a complete damp squib.  But it's an idea anyway.  

[East Coast Hustle]

you're a little late to THAT particular party, BB.

[BadBeast]

you're a little late to THAT particular party, BB.

Aint it always the way! Oh well. I do have a good mixed race friend from Australia who is really getting into the Discordia thing, I even got her to register here, but she has some online connection issues and only gets an hour at the Library now and again at the moment.