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Fuck you, it's another Osama thread.

Started by tyrannosaurus vex, May 03, 2011, 04:15:02 AM

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The Commander

Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 08, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
I am not a pacifist, sometimes force can be justified. However, I'm saying that mass force doesn't get a discount on murder in bulk. Its just a lot of individuals murdering individuals and each of those murders will have to be justified by the people responsible for that murder, from the solider to the top leader.

I prefer the path of fewest murders, whenever such a thing is possible.


I see. So, if the individuals involved in a group action are aware that their actions lead to the murder of others, but they can justify it, it is not so bad as when the individuals are not aware that their actions lead to the murder of others or when they cannot justify the murders.

Am I reading you correctly?
The Commander
DIA
Discordian Intelligence Agency

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: The Commander on May 09, 2011, 01:24:52 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 08, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
I am not a pacifist, sometimes force can be justified. However, I'm saying that mass force doesn't get a discount on murder in bulk. Its just a lot of individuals murdering individuals and each of those murders will have to be justified by the people responsible for that murder, from the solider to the top leader.

I prefer the path of fewest murders, whenever such a thing is possible.


I see. So, if the individuals involved in a group action are aware that their actions lead to the murder of others, but they can justify it, it is not so bad as when the individuals are not aware that their actions lead to the murder of others or when they cannot justify the murders.

Am I reading you correctly?

Assuming, of course, that the humans doing the justification have a reasonable system of ethics :)
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Pope Lecherous

From Max on Terminal Lance.

Quote from: Maximilian Uriarte
I feel that the President did a fine job of summing it up by saying:

"His demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity."

Hey, if it's good enough for a Nobel Peace Prize winner, it's good enough for me.

Is the idea of celebrating someone's death a little bit morbid? Yes, but this isn't someone. This is America's most prolific enemy in a very long time. This is the man responsible for September 11th, 2001–and all of the devastation that followed for the next ten years. He was an enemy to the American people in the most lucid sense of the word, and his death is a great victory for our nation on all accounts. Will it change anything in the short run? No, of course not. The war is not over, the enemy still exists and will continue to fight; and probably more importantly, we will continue to fight them.

I typically pride myself on my civility, as it's something I believe all humans should embrace (even us Neanderthal sub-humans). I truly believe that the human race can only move forward through absolute pacifism on a global scale. Our species as a whole would do a great deed to themselves by throwing their weapons down and moving forward in the many fields of sciences, such as astrophysics, biology and medicine. I would love to fire every Marine and put that money into the space program where the vast expanses of space and everything in between would be ours for the exploring. New planets, civilizations, theories, worlds and technologie await us in this utopian future.

Unfortunately, this future is a long way off, and I am a member of our imperfect, barbaric society along with the rest of you. It is thus, that I decree, we embrace the brutality of this situation that has arisen. Thousands gathered in the streets last night chanting into the darkness the glory of the United States, all over the death–or more correctly, the assassination–of one man.


Does he speak for all Marines?  Of course not, but he's in touch with the life for the junior enlisted and the realities of the USMC.

tl:dr
There is symbolic value in killing Osama, but terror isnt over.  One day we'll be beyond war, right now we're not.
--- War to the knife, knife to the hilt.

The Commander

Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 09, 2011, 05:59:11 AM
Quote from: The Commander on May 09, 2011, 01:24:52 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 08, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
I am not a pacifist, sometimes force can be justified. However, I'm saying that mass force doesn't get a discount on murder in bulk. Its just a lot of individuals murdering individuals and each of those murders will have to be justified by the people responsible for that murder, from the solider to the top leader.

I prefer the path of fewest murders, whenever such a thing is possible.


I see. So, if the individuals involved in a group action are aware that their actions lead to the murder of others, but they can justify it, it is not so bad as when the individuals are not aware that their actions lead to the murder of others or when they cannot justify the murders.

Am I reading you correctly?

Assuming, of course, that the humans doing the justification have a reasonable system of ethics :)

I'm thinking that if they think of what they are doing as murder, then they are at least half-way there.

That seems like a fairly reasonable way of looking at things.  It allows for the concept of a "Just War" while requiring that those involved have a realistic view of just what the consequences of going to war would be.
The Commander
DIA
Discordian Intelligence Agency

Elder Iptuous

Did someone say something about "Osama found jacking off to gay porn while living in luxury" or something to that effect, for the sake of demoralizing AQ?

well... they're doing the porn thing at least:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html

Cain

Quote from: Iptuous on May 14, 2011, 03:06:04 AM
Did someone say something about "Osama found jacking off to gay porn while living in luxury" or something to that effect, for the sake of demoralizing AQ?

well... they're doing the porn thing at least:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-pornography-found-bin-laden-hideout-officials-162214194.html

Yeah, I called it either the day of the assassination or the day after.

I am Jack's complete lack of suprise.  Shit, there was a time the US led the world in propaganda techniques.  This stuff is weaksauce.  No wonder Psy-Op teams in Iraq and Afghanistan fail to convince anyone to swap sides.

Elder Iptuous

ok....
how about this then... does it surprise you?
Disney Trademarks "Seal Team 6"
QuoteIn a perfect example of a big media company looking to capitalize on current events, The Walt Disney Company has trademarked "Seal Team 6," which also happens to be the name of the elite special forces team that killed Osama Bin Laden.

The trademark applications came on May 3rd, two days after the operation that killed Bin Laden... and two days after "Seal Team 6″  was included in thousands of news articles and TV programs focusing on the operation.

Disney's trademark applications for "Seal Team 6″ cover clothing, footwear, headwear, toys, games and "entertainment and education services," among other things.

Anna Mae Bollocks

Quote from: Iptuous on May 14, 2011, 03:11:21 AM
ok....
how about this then... does it surprise you?
Disney Trademarks "Seal Team 6"
QuoteIn a perfect example of a big media company looking to capitalize on current events, The Walt Disney Company has trademarked "Seal Team 6," which also happens to be the name of the elite special forces team that killed Osama Bin Laden.

The trademark applications came on May 3rd, two days after the operation that killed Bin Laden... and two days after "Seal Team 6″  was included in thousands of news articles and TV programs focusing on the operation.

Disney's trademark applications for "Seal Team 6″ cover clothing, footwear, headwear, toys, games and "entertainment and education services," among other things.

Should be interesting.
Those guys are going to looooooove being associated with kiddie crap.
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

Adios

Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 14, 2011, 03:14:26 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on May 14, 2011, 03:11:21 AM
ok....
how about this then... does it surprise you?
Disney Trademarks "Seal Team 6"
QuoteIn a perfect example of a big media company looking to capitalize on current events, The Walt Disney Company has trademarked "Seal Team 6," which also happens to be the name of the elite special forces team that killed Osama Bin Laden.

The trademark applications came on May 3rd, two days after the operation that killed Bin Laden... and two days after "Seal Team 6″  was included in thousands of news articles and TV programs focusing on the operation.

Disney's trademark applications for "Seal Team 6″ cover clothing, footwear, headwear, toys, games and "entertainment and education services," among other things.

Should be interesting.
Those guys are going to looooooove being associated with kiddie crap.

Walt is rolling over in his fucking grave.

*GrumpButt*

2013 new Disney movie featuring 6 Princesses that go on a kick ass mission to save the world.

:horrormirth:
*sigh* You have to be kidding me.

Adios

Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 14, 2011, 05:53:48 PM
2013 new Disney movie featuring 6 Princesses that go on a kick ass mission to save the world.

:horrormirth:

It would be wonderful if all of their parks fell in the ocean.

Jenne

Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 14, 2011, 05:53:48 PM
2013 new Disney movie featuring 6 Princesses that go on a kick ass mission to save the world.

:horrormirth:

:x:1fap:

Adios

PD.com should apply for a trademark of The Patriot Act.

Jenne

Yeah, but I'd be apt to use it to make porn.  Or make toilet seat covers, baby wipes and the like out of it.

Adios

Quote from: Jenne on May 14, 2011, 06:24:47 PM
Yeah, but I'd be apt to use it to make porn.  Or make toilet seat covers, baby wipes and the like out of it.

That's the general idea....... :evil: