Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist

[Requia ☣]

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Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

[Thurnez Isa]

Also, if you lose a case, that means it was frivolous.

If that was true the entire system would grind to a halt

[Wyldkat]

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Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around...  This is ridiculous.  She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.

However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example.  It would have saved her a lot of hassle.

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

Yeah.  I mean, "ten" and "in" dont even rhyme.  There is no excuse for bad cheer writing. 

Actually, that works in a southern dialect. They pronounce "ten" as "tin".

Correct, and both words have two syllables - pronounced "TEE-yәn".

Pen and pin are also homonyms.  That's why we say "ink pen" instead of just "pen", because otherwise if I ask someone to bring me a pen, I might get a stick pin or a safety pin instead.

"Fire" and "car" also rhyme in yokelese.

Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do.  Tire and tar are homonyms for them.  I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."

PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Ohay, Guess what.


Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around...  This is ridiculous.  She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.

However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example.  It would have saved her a lot of hassle.

That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.

[Wyldkat]

Ohay, Guess what.


Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around...  This is ridiculous.  She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.

However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example.  It would have saved her a lot of hassle.

That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.

What?  She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point.  Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity.  If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering.  Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ohay, Guess what.


Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around...  This is ridiculous.  She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.

However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example.  It would have saved her a lot of hassle.

That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.

What?  She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point.  Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity.  If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering.  Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.

Holy.  Fuck.

"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable.  And because, well, it's the rules.

[Wyldkat]

Ohay, Guess what.


Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around...  This is ridiculous.  She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.

However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example.  It would have saved her a lot of hassle.

That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.

What?  She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point.  Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity.  If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering.  Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.

Holy.  Fuck.

"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable.  And because, well, it's the rules.

Oh come on!  Could you at least read what I wrote?

I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.

I've been raped.  I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Ohay, Guess what.


Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.

Some douche Mod said:

It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law).  When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.

The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with.  The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.


The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.

Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed,  I would agree their would be a case.

So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)?  FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.

I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around...  This is ridiculous.  She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.

However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example.  It would have saved her a lot of hassle.

That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.

What?  She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point.  Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity.  If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering.  Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.

Holy.  Fuck.

"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable.  And because, well, it's the rules.

Oh come on!  Could you at least read what I wrote?

I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.

I've been raped.  I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.

"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The cheer she refused to say was:
"Two, four, six, eight, ten, come on, Rakheem, put it in."
according to this site

Reading that I can understand her not wanting to say it even more.

  <--- going to hell for laughing.

[Wyldkat]

Holy.  Fuck.

"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable.  And because, well, it's the rules.

Oh come on!  Could you at least read what I wrote?

I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.

I've been raped.  I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.

"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"

No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Holy.  Fuck.

"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable.  And because, well, it's the rules.

Oh come on!  Could you at least read what I wrote?

I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.

I've been raped.  I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.

"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"

No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000. 

So, the problem isn't the system, it's that she didn't knuckle under?

[Telarus]

Holy.  Fuck.

"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable.  And because, well, it's the rules.

Oh come on!  Could you at least read what I wrote?

I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.

I've been raped.  I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.

"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"

No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000. 

So, the problem isn't the system, it's that she didn't knuckle under?

Comes up a lot doesn't it? It's like we've been domesticated to accept the idea, or something.

[Triple Zero]

Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do.  Tire and tar are homonyms for them.  I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."

PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.

Regional dialects sicken you?

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do.  Tire and tar are homonyms for them.  I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."

PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.

Regional dialects sicken you?

I'm pretty sure the "southern" dialects make PMZ laugh, but the treatment of this girl disgusts him.