Curious about a concept in the BIP

[Cain]

I'm really starting to warm to Elizier's notion that science should involve secretive initiation rituals and pseudo-religious grades and garb....because then idiots who go around trying to discover "secret knowledge" might figure out most of it is in scientific journals that people ignore because "The Secret" and "What the Bleep Do We Know?" panders to their half-baked metaphysical assumptions.

[LMNO]

I'm gonna start a band called "The Bayesean Conspiracy".

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

My personal background is Northern European in an area where shamanism is still practiced

Where in Northern Europe is shamanism still practiced?

Do you mean all the homeopathetic natural "medicine" that's so popular in Germany? The "dr" Alfred Vogel of Bioforce AG, Biohorma and to have brought Echinacea from Sioux indians to Europe?

(BTW he was also a Jehova's Witness and used his profits to fund the Watchtower organisation, as well as argued and warned about the dangers of blood transfusion)

It's probably something along these lines. http://boreale.konto.itv.se/rovaniemi.htm

[Kai]

I'm really starting to warm to Elizier's notion that science should involve secretive initiation rituals and pseudo-religious grades and garb....because then idiots who go around trying to discover "secret knowledge" might figure out most of it is in scientific journals that people ignore because "The Secret" and "What the Bleep Do We Know?" panders to their half-baked metaphysical assumptions.

So so THIS!

[Wyldkat]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

[Don Coyote]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

You mean the Sami people?  Lapp is a derogatory name.  If you're going to rip off their religion, at least don't call them by racial epithets.

[Wyldkat]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

[Don Coyote]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

[Phox]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

Beat me to the punch. Better analogy too. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

Beat me to the punch. Better analogy too. 

It's like calling a Black person "nigger", or an Inuit person "eskimo", or the Welsh "people".

[Don Coyote]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

Beat me to the punch. Better analogy too. 

It's like calling a Black person "nigger", or an Inuit person "eskimo", or the Welsh "people".

Wait..."people" is an INSULT to the WELSH???

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

Beat me to the punch. Better analogy too. 

It's like calling a Black person "nigger", or an Inuit person "eskimo", or the Welsh "people".

Wait..."people" is an INSULT to the WELSH???

Nope.  The Welsh are an insult - as a breed - to people.

[Phox]

I read the book YEARS ago.  I think I was still in college and simply remembered that it was an interesting book that involved science and shamanism and that I enjoyed reading it at the time.  Now I'm going to have to find time to reread it, research the concepts and see exactly how far out there the author actually is!  That amount of time might take awhile to find...

As to who in Northern Europe still follows shamanism, some of the Lapps in Sweden still follow their old beliefs and practices.

Are you a Lapp? Are you from Sweden directly?

My mother immigrated from Finland.  She is a Swedish Finn from generations of Swedish Finns who can trace their ancestry back to Sweden.  I am 50% Swedish.

I've heard them called both Lapps and Sami, but more commonly Lapplanders among my family.

Then your family is the Finnish version of David Duke trailer trash.

Just saying.

Beat me to the punch. Better analogy too. 

It's like calling a Black person "nigger", or an Inuit person "eskimo", or the Welsh "people".

Wait..."people" is an INSULT to the WELSH???

Nope.  The Welsh are an insult - as a breed - to people.