Why I use "Yahweh" when talking about the Judeo-Christian god

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I think I made this point to my mother decades ago, when being taught in Sunday School and Wednesday night Bible study about the many  names of "God" in the Christian dogma (back then I knew it as "faith").  It's always amazing how few answers those who have purportedly "studied" the Bible actually have for this kind of thing.  But since the book itself has gone through so many translations over the centuries, there's just very little that is known amongst those who DON'T go to seminary what the nomeclature has gone through over the millenia.

I remember being taught that the Jews couldn't say YHVH's name because it was so holy according to the OT, but that Christ himself in ripping that veil when he died for our sins made not only access to him easier but also access to God the Father as well.  So being a Gentile, I was afforded VIP access since I accepted Christ as my savior, etc.

It is interesting what is considered "sacred" when it comes to "names" and how they translate into English for believers.  You know that when Muslims speak of "Allah" in English they sometimes translate it to "God"?  They don't always use "Allah."  Which is also why "Allah-hu-akbar" translates into NOT "Allah is great" but instead "God is great."

...anyway, great thread, great points, as everyone's already said.

I've seen Vishnu and Shiva referred to as "God" in books for westerners.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Faithfool"?

Well, it's a good thing we're all immune to that sort of thing.

[BadBeast]

If you change the pronunciation a little bit, it sounds like "Yeahwat"? (Question mark optional)

[Phox]

Why is Jehova a "mistranslation" of Yahweh?

"Jehovah" being a mistranslation was just my understanding from way back when I went to school for this shit. That was a decade ago, though, so I could be wrong. But if memory serves, it's similar to how "Jesus" is incorrect; the name used in the original text is "Yeshua," which translates to "Joshua." AFAIK, "Jehova" and "Jesus" are just ancient fuck-ups by scribes translating the bible into new languages that have survived due to tradition.

Two things. Jesus is "Iesu" in Greek, which, unless you are talking about something else, would be the original language of the text that we have, no?

From my understanding, Jehova comes from interlacing the vowel sounds from "adonai" within the consonants of YHWH translated into greek (JHVH). Something like that.


Here's a mind-fuck to bring up to the next faithfool you speak with (thanks for that term).


- YHWH is obviously not a trinity, because in kabalistic values, Y = Father, H = Mother, W = Son, H = Daughter... Which is why you have the feminine Names of God... This also lines up with certain interesting things on the tree of life, and the 4 suits of Tarot.

- The two female aspects were hidden under the term "holy spirit" and the veneration of Mary as a Saint.

Have fun with those.

Correct. Jehova is not a mistranslation so much as a transliteration of a transliteration of a transliteration.

[Laughin Jude]

Two things. Jesus is "Iesu" in Greek, which, unless you are talking about something else, would be the original language of the text that we have, no?

Iesu is Yeshua transliterated into Greek AFAIK. Going the long route from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English, the scribes' multicultural game of telephone ended with "Jesus," but if you go straight from Hebrew to the accepted modern English equivalent, it's "Joshua."

[Phox]

Two things. Jesus is "Iesu" in Greek, which, unless you are talking about something else, would be the original language of the text that we have, no?

Iesu is Yeshua transliterated into Greek AFAIK. Going the long route from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English, the scribes' multicultural game of telephone ended with "Jesus," but if you go straight from Hebrew to the accepted modern English equivalent, it's "Joshua."

What, precisely, are you talking about? Transliteration of names has nothing to do with "translation". To say it's a mistranslation is... well, incorrect. Yes, the Hebrew form transliterated is Yeshua. What is your point? The referencs to Jesus in the New Testament were not in Hebrew, were they? Do you know something I don't? My point is that it's not incorrect, because we are working from the text which is in Greek, and lists the name as Ἰησοῦ, not שׁוּעַ.  Transliterating it to Latin results in Iesus. Consonantal "i" turns into "j". "Jesus".

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

And Jesus/Ieshua/JebusHChrist spoke aramic. So who the fuck knows what he actually said, if he even existed.

[Phox]

And Jesus/Ieshua/JebusHChrist spoke aramic. So who the fuck knows what he actually said, if he even existed.

Yeah. There has been speculation (I dunno how credible it is) that the Gospels were originally written in Aramaic and transliterated into Greek, but we have so little evidence for such documents its moot. My personal take on that is that the gospels are fucking weird and inconsistent in the level of "skill" in Greek. That is there are things going on that are contrary to the normal conventions of Koine Greek, and some are more correct than others. You would think, if composed in Aramaic, the consistency of the Greek would be much higher, because there would more than likely be multiple translations around and someone at some point would have done all four, and that likely would have been made the "official" version, yeah? But I'm speculating just as much, so I'll leave off there.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

And Jesus/Ieshua/JebusHChrist spoke aramic. So who the fuck knows what he actually said, if he even existed.

Yeah. There has been speculation (I dunno how credible it is) that the Gospels were originally written in Aramaic and transliterated into Greek, but we have so little evidence for such documents its moot. My personal take on that is that the gospels are fucking weird and inconsistent in the level of "skill" in Greek. That is there are things going on that are contrary to the normal conventions of Koine Greek, and some are more correct than others. You would think, if composed in Aramaic, the consistency of the Greek would be much higher, because there would more than likely be multiple translations around and someone at some point would have done all four, and that likely would have been made the "official" version, yeah? But I'm speculating just as much, so I'll leave off there.

And thats the least of the problems with the Gospels 

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Throw in the story at the end of Exodus 33 about the time Yahweh let Moses look at his ass. Just his ass, because Moses couln't have seen him from the front and lived. 

Literal-minded Bible-believing Christians NEED these things. 

Proof that Yahweh was trolling the hell out of everyone. He mooned some dude and made him thank him for it.

[LMNO]

God-tse.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

God-tse.

[P3nT4gR4m]

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

God-tse.

NEEDS WOMP  

ETA: Didn't see what Pent did when I posted that.
SUBLIME, dood!

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Damn, Pent