And Then, Suu, There's The Women

[Suu]

Deirdre and I were the two older (as in, we weren't 20) angry Irish experienced servers/tenders at the local English pub on the Ivy League campus. Our rampages last summer were spectacular.

[Phox]

Deirdre and I were the two older (as in, we weren't 20) angry Irish experienced servers/tenders at the local English pub on the Ivy League campus. Our rampages last summer were spectacular.

Awesome. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

I agree, which is why I said what I did.  You will have to be very very firm with him and word it in a way that brokes no questioning.  Otherwise you'll be hit with all the "what did I do wrong?" or "can't we be friends" bullshit.

[Don Coyote]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

But I am the Nice Guy That is why I built a shrine to every women who didn't love me back like she should have. Sadly, they all became memorials after they ran away and no one could find them.

[Doktor Howl]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

I can see that being the case a good chunk of the time.  

[Freeky]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

I can see that being the case a good chunk of the time. 

I know a certain someone who is a self-proclaimed "Nice Guy who finishes last and then gets shit on."

  WHAT WAS I THINKING.

[Phox]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

But I am the Nice Guy That is why I built a shrine to every women who didn't love me back like she should have. Sadly, they all became memorials after they ran away and no one could find them.

[Doktor Howl]

I am going to mention that I would bet each of you guys a million bucks that my stalky creeper date from Saturday thinks of himself as "The Nice Guy" who always ends up being "The Friend" and can't understand why no one will date him even though he's "honest and open about his feelings".

EVERY SINGLE GUY I've ever met who is a creepy obsessive stalker/rapist type, and every misogynist, has at some point pulled out the put-upon "Nice Guy" routine, and that's why I don't trust it any closer than firing distance. It is absolutely nothing but an excuse to blame women for their problems. They'll have female friends for a while, and then they'll psycho-obsess on them, and then the female friend will run away, and it gets remanufactured into the sob story about how women won't date "The Friend" even though it would have been the most bestest awesome perfect dream come true ever. Because unlike the bad boys she dates, he would have been good to her, my precious.

I can see that being the case a good chunk of the time. 

I know a certain someone who is a self-proclaimed "Nice Guy who finishes last and then gets shit on."

  WHAT WAS I THINKING.

You and Nigel, as always, have a point.  But I am by no means agreeing that this is always the case.  The real nice guys can be spotted by the fact that they are happily married and content with what they eventually found.

Bruce, on the other hand, will NEVER be happy, because he got stuck at age 12.  I can see how spending your entire life in puberty-driven angst would make anyone miserable.

But yeah, he is the prime example of the flaw in the catagory as proposed by me.   

Nigel's case is probably very similar, but I don't know the guy, so it doesn't resonate with me in the same way.

[Doktor Howl]

Thing about Bruce is (for those of you fortunate enough to never have known him), he's most emphatically NOT a nice guy.  His entire outlook on others can be summarized as "What can YOU do for Bruce?"  He also tends to treat people who become in ANY way dependent on him as a piece of the furniture at best, and an emotional punching bag at worst.

Plus he drives a Camaro, wears Trip pants at 36 (?), and has a mullet.

Nuff said.

[LMNO]

I am every single person on Suu's list in the Bar thread.  Often with various simultaneous combinations, although some haven't shown their head in years.


Verily, I contain multitudes.


I was under the impression that most humans are like this.

[Chairman Risus]

Thing about Bruce is (for those of you fortunate enough to never have known him), he's most emphatically NOT a nice guy.  His entire outlook on others can be summarized as "What can YOU do for Bruce?"  He also tends to treat people who become in ANY way dependent on him as a piece of the furniture at best, and an emotional punching bag at worst.

Plus he drives a Camaro, wears Trip's pants at 36 (?), and has a mullet.

Nuff said.

How'd he get the Dutchman's pants?

[Doktor Howl]

Thing about Bruce is (for those of you fortunate enough to never have known him), he's most emphatically NOT a nice guy.  His entire outlook on others can be summarized as "What can YOU do for Bruce?"  He also tends to treat people who become in ANY way dependent on him as a piece of the furniture at best, and an emotional punching bag at worst.

Plus he drives a Camaro, wears Trip's pants at 36 (?), and has a mullet.

Nuff said.

How'd he get the Dutchman's pants?

Belgians don't wear pance.

[Salty]

I am every single person on Suu's list in the Bar thread.  Often with various simultaneous combinations, although some haven't shown their head in years.


Verily, I contain multitudes.


I was under the impression that most humans are like this.

I think this has to do with the type of people you are around, different combinations of personalities. There are people who view me in so many different ways that I have given up trying to live up to any of those expectations. People say, you're such a nice guy. Uh huh. People say, you're an unbelievable asshole. Yeah, sure. The important thing is not to depend on one outside view of yourself vs another.

You have to keep on keeping on until you find people with whom your mutual perspectives sync in a healthy manner. Or something. Right? Right.

[Doktor Howl]

For what it's worth, I place myself in the "Braying jackass that's hard to get along with for any length of time" catagory.