ATTN: LMNO PEE: I IZ TOO STOOPID TO "GET" AUTECHRE

[LMNO]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

That makes me imagine an in-between state twixt thinking an artwork is good and thinking it's bad - call it aesthetic-agnostic. "There is not enough information to me to make a claim that this artwork is good or that it's bad, although I am open to further evidence."
And then the strong aesthetic-agnostic would claim it will never be possible for us to know whether art is good or bad.

You leapfrogged the actual question in order to get to the Excluded Middle argument you so desperately wanted to make.

[Phox]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

That makes me imagine an in-between state twixt thinking an artwork is good and thinking it's bad - call it aesthetic-agnostic. "There is not enough information to me to make a claim that this artwork is good or that it's bad, although I am open to further evidence."
And then the strong aesthetic-agnostic would claim it will never be possible for us to know whether art is good or bad.

You leapfrogged the actual question in order to get to the Excluded Middle argument you so desperately wanted to make.

I was noticing that to.

Side note,  I have been following this discussion with great interest. Continue with the debate! 

[Triple Zero]

ECH, sure thing I knew I should have tried a Grolsch from the USA supermarkets when I was there ...

Additionally, I don't like the proper Heineken here that much either. It's not bad, a tad too sweet maybe, and being the largest brand and how it brands itself doesn't help either. Same goes for Amstel, kind of. Except Amstel has a distinctive flavour that I don't like in the first glass but gets better/less noticeable after, while Heineken starts out bland and tends to get worse as you drink more of it.

And once more I'll point out that these are not mere opinions, but hard and objective facts. Failure to agree with them means that you just don't "get it", like Autechre. Who are British. So what do they know about beer, anyway.

[Phox]

And once more I'll point out that these are not mere opinions, but hard and objective facts. Failure to agree with them means that you just don't "get it", like Autechre. Who are British. So what do they know about beer, anyway.

[Epimetheus]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

That makes me imagine an in-between state twixt thinking an artwork is good and thinking it's bad - call it aesthetic-agnostic. "There is not enough information to me to make a claim that this artwork is good or that it's bad, although I am open to further evidence."
And then the strong aesthetic-agnostic would claim it will never be possible for us to know whether art is good or bad.

You leapfrogged the actual question in order to get to the Excluded Middle argument you so desperately wanted to make.

I wasn't making an argument - that was actually a joke.

[LMNO]

NO JOKING ALLOWED!
         \

[Phox]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

That makes me imagine an in-between state twixt thinking an artwork is good and thinking it's bad - call it aesthetic-agnostic. "There is not enough information to me to make a claim that this artwork is good or that it's bad, although I am open to further evidence."
And then the strong aesthetic-agnostic would claim it will never be possible for us to know whether art is good or bad.

You leapfrogged the actual question in order to get to the Excluded Middle argument you so desperately wanted to make.

I wasn't making an argument - that was actually a joke.

DAMN YOU POE! 

[Doktor Howl]

But if I say something is art, and you say something isn't, then is it art, or not?

Does it involve dogs playing poker?

Someone was bound to go there and it was bound to be you.

I gotta be me.

[Doktor Howl]

GOD! Don't be such a jerk!

Jerk.

Um, not to be a jerk myself (I am a paragon of civility, after all), but just where exactly do you think you are?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Since this thread has reached something approaching salvation, I wanted to address the popular misconception that something is only "art" if it's good. This is not the case. It is art if it was created with the intention of being art, even if it's terrible art. And there is such a thing as bad art. Bad art is different from art which is hated, which may be very, very good art indeed, if the intention was to make people upset and angry.

For anyone who is truly unfamiliar with bad art, visit MOBA: http://www.museumofbadart.org/index.php

[Doktor Howl]

Since this thread has reached something approaching salvation, I wanted to address the popular misconception that something is only "art" if it's good. This is not the case. It is art if it was created with the intention of being art, even if it's terrible art. And there is such a thing as bad art. Bad art is different from art which is hated, which may be very, very good art indeed, if the intention was to make people upset and angry.

For anyone who is truly unfamiliar with bad art, visit MOBA: http://www.museumofbadart.org/index.php

Yes, the famous Belgian artist Jan Oort turned the field of bad art into his very own mileu, back in the dadaist period.  Unfortunately, he got blamed for comet impacts and was killed in World War I, along with all the other dadaist masters.

[East Coast Hustle]

ECH, sure thing I knew I should have tried a Grolsch from the USA supermarkets when I was there ...

Additionally, I don't like the proper Heineken here that much either. It's not bad, a tad too sweet maybe, and being the largest brand and how it brands itself doesn't help either. Same goes for Amstel, kind of. Except Amstel has a distinctive flavour that I don't like in the first glass but gets better/less noticeable after, while Heineken starts out bland and tends to get worse as you drink more of it.

And once more I'll point out that these are not mere opinions, but hard and objective facts. Failure to agree with them means that you just don't "get it", like Autechre. Who are British. So what do they know about beer, anyway.

Do you know why the British like warm beer?






The same people that make their cars make their refrigerators.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Since this thread has reached something approaching salvation, I wanted to address the popular misconception that something is only "art" if it's good. This is not the case. It is art if it was created with the intention of being art, even if it's terrible art. And there is such a thing as bad art. Bad art is different from art which is hated, which may be very, very good art indeed, if the intention was to make people upset and angry.

For anyone who is truly unfamiliar with bad art, visit MOBA: http://www.museumofbadart.org/index.php

Yes, the famous Belgian artist Jan Oort turned the field of bad art into his very own mileu, back in the dadaist period.  Unfortunately, he got blamed for comet impacts and was killed in World War I, along with all the other dadaist masters.

You, sir, are an artist.

[Doktor Howl]

Since this thread has reached something approaching salvation, I wanted to address the popular misconception that something is only "art" if it's good. This is not the case. It is art if it was created with the intention of being art, even if it's terrible art. And there is such a thing as bad art. Bad art is different from art which is hated, which may be very, very good art indeed, if the intention was to make people upset and angry.

For anyone who is truly unfamiliar with bad art, visit MOBA: http://www.museumofbadart.org/index.php

Yes, the famous Belgian artist Jan Oort turned the field of bad art into his very own mileu, back in the dadaist period.  Unfortunately, he got blamed for comet impacts and was killed in World War I, along with all the other dadaist masters.

You, sir, are an artist.

Thank you.

And my chosen canvass is America™.   

[Eater of Clowns]

Since this thread has reached something approaching salvation, I wanted to address the popular misconception that something is only "art" if it's good. This is not the case. It is art if it was created with the intention of being art, even if it's terrible art. And there is such a thing as bad art. Bad art is different from art which is hated, which may be very, very good art indeed, if the intention was to make people upset and angry.

For anyone who is truly unfamiliar with bad art, visit MOBA: http://www.museumofbadart.org/index.php

MOBA is one of my favorite places in Boston, period.  It's so good.