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Oh Noes Welfare Cheats

Started by Placid Dingo, August 17, 2011, 12:42:51 PM

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Cain

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 17, 2011, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 17, 2011, 03:51:38 PM
The thing is, people in prison cannot claim benefits anyway.

Thing is, one 18 year old was arrested, and they threw his mother, who had no connection to the riots, out of her housing, as he had been living there.

Oh yeah, absolutely.  There is going to be a lot of that.

I'm just saying the demand itself is stupid (beyond its effects) and shows how little people understand our political and welfare systems. 

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

There's nothing for fixing a problem like making things worse.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Juana

Indeed, until the whole thing blows up.

Quote from: Charley Brown on August 17, 2011, 01:21:56 PM
Officer on a routine traffic stop.

"I need to see your drivers license, proof of insurance and proof of gainful employment, please."
We already did that once. I don't think that it would happen again, but the mere idea makes me uncomfortable.
"I dispose of obsolete meat machines.  Not because I hate them (I do) and not because they deserve it (they do), but because they are in the way and those older ones don't meet emissions codes.  They emit too much.  You don't like them and I don't like them, so spare me the hysteria."

Cain

Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
There's nothing for fixing a problem like making things worse.

At this rate, Ed Miliband may well be the next Prime Minister, and sooner than some expected.

And he might not be utterly terrible, so long as he can rein in the New Labour wing of the party.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Cain on August 17, 2011, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 17, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
There's nothing for fixing a problem like making things worse.

At this rate, Ed Miliband may well be the next Prime Minister, and sooner than some expected.

And he might not be utterly terrible, so long as he can rein in the New Labour wing of the party.

That would certainly be an interesting turn for things to take. It also seems too sensible to actually happen.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Cain

Right now Labour are even with the Tories in the opinion polls (well, the most recent one I can find is from May)...which is a drop from previous months.

But while Cameron is taking to the bully pulpit, blustering and engaging in collective punishment, Miliband is actually out there talking to voters.  No guesses as to which is going to be more popular, in the long run.  Especially with everything else that is coming down the line in the next year...

And I'm not even a fan of the pointy-headed little twerp.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Cain on August 17, 2011, 05:25:22 PM
Right now Labour are even with the Tories in the opinion polls (well, the most recent one I can find is from May)...which is a drop from previous months.

But while Cameron is taking to the bully pulpit, blustering and engaging in collective punishment, Miliband is actually out there talking to voters.  No guesses as to which is going to be more popular, in the long run.  Especially with everything else that is coming down the line in the next year...

And I'm not even a fan of the pointy-headed little twerp.

I would say that he is the significantly lesser of the two evils.

The question is, can he get the poor to vote?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Scribbly

The question is whether they should, or he should want them to.

I agree that he is the lesser of two evils, and his rhetoric is certainly good. But rhetoric is easy, and I think that another politician brought into power on a wave of people power who is then perceived to do nothing to help the unprivileged would be the last time a large segment of our population would attempt to engage with the political process.

And given the massive economic disaster looming on the horizon, I think the cannier move would be to lose this election. And then guide the poor in eating the rich when the lights go out.

That could just be wishful thinking, though.
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