The Meaning of Conservative

[Phox]

Yep, its pretty bad.  But you can't really teach people how to think if they don't want to.  If they do want to know how to think, though, they have to be shown how thinking works.  Its a skill like any other, and harder than most.

True, true. If people don't want to know how to think, there's nothing that can be done. What's worse though, is the people who think they do, but are either malicious or stupid, and get people to follow in their line of thinking because of it.

Definitely.  But they're in the same crowd as the people who don't want to know how to think, IME.

Oh, yes, definitely.

[Juana]

Oh my god, yes. And it's hard to teach, too. Some people get it right off the bat, but ime, most don't, even when it's not sheer laziness. I'm not entirely sure why.

Maybe sometimes is a defeatist attitude?

Back when I was still a sheeple, which wasn't too terribly long ago, I just agreed with everything I heard, except for the really really repugnant shit, on the basis that they may or may not have a point, it was possible whoever was talking had a clue, and I most certainly didn't and wouldn't know how to form an opinion of my own even if I did, so I had best keep my mouth shut and let other people do the talking. 

I don't remember when I knew how to think, but I did, and then I understood math better, too.

Possibly, for some. IME, it seemed like they just didn't get it. They knew what was wrong, but no amount of teaching (revising how I taught it, breaking it down with them, etc.) seemed to get it through.

Sometimes all you can do is plant seeds, others may come after and water them.

There is that.