Day of Rage

[Cramulus]

tangent ----------

the other day I was talking with a friend about Newscorp and the Murdoch empire

I was talking about how little news coverage Murdoch's trial is getting now that the initial soundbytes are out of the way. I mean, there's been other big news, like that tripoli thing, and that little debt ceiling fiasco, but I'm surprised that we haven't been hearing more about Murdoch.

And my friend said "What do you expect? For a company to publicize its boss' wrongdoing?" and he was really straight faced, like for real, we shouldn't expect the media to comment on how the media operates-- that would be a conflict of interest!

From where I'm sitting -- My friend's lack of expectation for real journalism is a big part of what's wrong with media.

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

Ippy, the problem is it's still the same story of the day no matter which you watch.  Everyone is talking about what the big media wants to report on.  Other big stories are going uncovered.  The only reason the DS version is more informative is because Stewart dissects some of their bullshit spin for us.

I can be more informed reading one of Cain's threads here than I would be from a month of network news and the Daily Show.

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Wow, Cram, so your friend not only expects the media to be totally corrupt and doesn't see anything wrong with it, but he is surprised that someone would have a problem with media corruption and would expect the media to be otherwise.

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Ippy, the problem is it's still the same story of the day no matter which you watch.  Everyone is talking about what the big media wants to report on.  Other big stories are going uncovered.  The only reason the DS version is more informative is because Stewart dissects some of their bullshit spin for us.

The responsibility for the dumbing down of the news media isn't just on "big media" --- market demand is more important. "Demand" makes it sound more dramatic than just changing the channel or buying a different newspaper or clicking a different link, but that's what it comes down to. The mainstream media is just serving up the pap that our increasingly uneducated and financially squeezed populace ordered.

[Triple Zero]

What i mean to say is that, despite intentions, the daily show does, in fact, tell you what the news stories of the day are.

the point is, if they can't make a joke about something of medium importance they'll just skip it.

there's no expectation that they cover everything. it's just if something's really big they should probably cover it, or people will think "hey did they just ignore that".

[Elder Iptuous]

is all true.
i guess the only thing that i think is usually dismissed that i think shouldn't be is the notion that the ds doesn't actually contribute to the news cycle.  i think it does add to it by debullshitting it a bit.  so in that limited sense, it has added news value to the system and should be considered 'real'....
I dunno.  perhaps i'm wrong, but i think it's a significant alteration to the news landscape, and being a humorous and satirical addition, i think it's extra fabulous.

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

Ippy, the problem is it's still the same story of the day no matter which you watch.  Everyone is talking about what the big media wants to report on.  Other big stories are going uncovered.  The only reason the DS version is more informative is because Stewart dissects some of their bullshit spin for us.

The responsibility for the dumbing down of the news media isn't just on "big media" --- market demand is more important. "Demand" makes it sound more dramatic than just changing the channel or buying a different newspaper or clicking a different link, but that's what it comes down to. The mainstream media is just serving up the pap that our increasingly uneducated and financially squeezed populace ordered.

That's a good point.  They would get closer to the truth if their viewers demanded it.  But what news consumers are demanding is to be told that their opinions are correct, so they'll flip to the news channel that does the best job of confirming their opinions.

is all true.
i guess the only thing that i think is usually dismissed that i think shouldn't be is the notion that the ds doesn't actually contribute to the news cycle.  i think it does add to it by debullshitting it a bit.  so in that limited sense, it has added news value to the system and should be considered 'real'....
I dunno.  perhaps i'm wrong, but i think it's a significant alteration to the news landscape, and being a humorous and satirical addition, i think it's extra fabulous.

I don't think anyone said that the DS isn't a positive contribution to the news cycle.

[CorbeauEtRenard]

Well, it certainly demonstrates something that right now is the first I've heard about this anywhere.   

On the plus side... I guess... is that I've been hearing a lot more of the "Why isn't anybody else actually angry?" sentiment lately. Might actually result in some genuine demonstrations of anger if we're really, really lucky.

[Chairman Risus]

Email Censorship Allegations of the Day: Yahoo! Mail users attempting to send email about the Occupy Wall Street protests found themselves blocked today, with a message saying, "Your message was not sent. Suspicious activity has been detected on your account."

Yahoo! acknowledged blocking emails containing "occupywallst.org," but claims it was a problem with their spam filters that is now resolved. Some accounts may still be blocked from sending the messages for right now, due to residual delays.

Yahoo! still hasn't explained how the website was added to its spam filters in the first place. As [url="//thinkprogress.org"]ThinkProgress.org[/url] pointed out, messages about other political, websites like [url="//americansforprosperity.org"]AmericansforProsperity.org[/url] and [url="//teapartypatriots.org"]TeaPartyPatriots.org[/url] weren't being blocked.

[Faust]

If a sudden rush of the same link or even the same email containing a link gets sent around enough times it gets automatically added to the spam pile, thats why you never get spam with the good services, they are quick to pick up on it.

[Chairman Risus]

Reasonable and informed is no way to go through life, Faust.

[Triple Zero]

If a sudden rush of the same link or even the same email containing a link gets sent around enough times it gets automatically added to the spam pile, thats why you never get spam with the good services, they are quick to pick up on it.

That would make sense, except I never heard of this occurring with other events and websites that must have been mailed around a lot as well.

Additionally, if this were possible, anyone could practically censor any type of link simply by spamming it all over the place?

I dunno, I'm not entirely sure about there being no foul play involved here.

Just like #Wikileaks never trending on Twitter, it could be algorithms, but why do you never hear about really stupid teapartyesque causes being accidentally algorithmically censored this way?

There's other similar instances of technical "mistakes", I can't really recall right now, but I don't believe they can all be coincidental mistakes.

Or maybe this happens to teapartiers all the time but they can't figure out how to make screenshots.

Or maybe this never happens to teapartiers because it's all astroturfing and the Koch brothers don't need to use webmail accounts to "organically" advertise their shit.

[Cramulus]

"algorithmic censorship"

wow, that's a new one

fucking LOVE this decade

[Triple Zero]

"algorithmic censorship"

wow, that's a new one

fucking LOVE this decade

It's just the machines' way of getting back at us for CAPTCHAs, you know?

[the last yatto]

Hustle, yeah in the long term mass withdraw won't do much,
but in the short term they will have a serious cash flow issues
and the meme encourages people to bank with credit unions

[the last yatto]

This is the fifth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street.
On September 21st, 2011, Troy Davis, an innocent man, was murdered by the state of Georgia. Troy Davis was one of the 99 percent.
Ending capital punishment is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, four of our members were arrested on baseless charges.
Ending police intimidation is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, the richest 400 Americans owned more than half of the country's population.
Ending wealth inequality is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, we determined that Yahoo lied about occupywallst.org being in spam filters.
Ending corporate censorship is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly eighty percent of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track.
Ending the modern gilded age is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly 15% of Americans approved of the job Congress was doing.
Ending political corruption is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of Americans did not have work.
Ending joblessness is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of America lived in poverty.
Ending poverty is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly fifty million Americans were without health insurance.
Ending health-profiteering is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America had military bases in around one hundred and thirty out of one hundred and sixty-five countries.
Ending American imperialism is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America was at war with the world.
Ending war is our one demand.