Luka Magnotta : Everything is A Dream

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

To put it another way.

I like horror.

Most (not all) horror is also snuffporn.  Friday the 13th being a notable example.

That given, who wouldn't expect me to open that door?  The victim in a horror movie always does and I don't mind playing the victim so long as it's all pretend.  Roger is, admittedly, far better at being the monster than the victim, me too, but I'm flexible.

Bullshit a true horror film connoisseur knows that the best horror movies are about the tension and not the gore.

Yep. Big difference in horror films and splatter flicks.

[Freeky]

Shit, probably most people who don't have rape/murder/rapemurder fantasies or other violent fetishes know that.  I hate horror movies and I know that.

[Luna]

To put it another way.

I like horror.

Most (not all) horror is also snuffporn.  Friday the 13th being a notable example.

That given, who wouldn't expect me to open that door?  The victim in a horror movie always does and I don't mind playing the victim so long as it's all pretend.  Roger is, admittedly, far better at being the monster than the victim, me too, but I'm flexible.

Bullshit a true horror film connoisseur knows that the best horror movies are about the tension and not the gore.

Reminds me of a Stephen King quote.

I recognize terror as the finest emotion and so I will try to terrorize the reader. But if I find that I cannot terrify, I will try to horrify, and if I find that I cannot horrify, I'll go for the gross-out. I'm not proud.

While digging for the exact wording of that, I found this one:

"The 3 types of terror: The Gross-out: the sight of a severed head tumbling down a flight of stairs, it's when the lights go out and something green and slimy splatters against your arm. The Horror: the unnatural, spiders the size of bears, the dead waking up and walking around, it's when the lights go out and something with claws grabs you by the arm. And the last and worse one: Terror, when you come home and notice everything you own had been taken away and replaced by an exact substitute. It's when the lights go out and you feel something behind you, you hear it, you feel its breath against your ear, but when you turn around, there's nothing there..."

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

To put it another way.

I like horror.

Most (not all) horror is also snuffporn.  Friday the 13th being a notable example.

That given, who wouldn't expect me to open that door?  The victim in a horror movie always does and I don't mind playing the victim so long as it's all pretend.  Roger is, admittedly, far better at being the monster than the victim, me too, but I'm flexible.

Bullshit a true horror film connoisseur knows that the best horror movies are about the tension and not the gore.

Its hard to jerk off to tension.

[Cain]

I disagree.  10 seasons of The X-Files was built on people jerking off to the unresolved sexual tension between Mulder and Scully.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Its not my fault gillain anderson was hot.

[Triple Zero]

Its not my fault gillain anderson was hot.

Narrow escape, dude. I was just about to blame you.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

[navkat]

I don't think "remanded to a treatment facility" should equate to a situation where "everybody KNOWS he ain't getting better" so instead of sending him to a regular prison, old boy gets hooked up for life in the hospital where no one's allowed to subject him to anything unkind or encroach on his space and if he misbehaves, instead of five guards with riot gear, a day in solitary and a tribunal that tacks on 6 months, he gets another 5mg diazepam, loss of TV time and an an immediate floor visit from the doc to "talk about his behaviour."

Wait, what?

That's not a "regular prison" that's the sick excuse for "justified" slavery that you got in the USA.

You know, the prison system famous for memes such as "federal assrape prison" and "you dropped the soap".

I'm just going to imagine that you did NOT just argue that if someone criminally insane is put in a mental institution they should at least be getting it as bad, get the same fucked up treatment as two out of every hundred US citizens are currently experiencing? Because otherwise ... it's not fair? Again, revenge much? I wouldn't be surprised if a few years in a US prison doesn't actually make people more likely to commit crimes when they return to society.



Apart from that, you also seem to be arguing that it's okay to do medical experiments on the insane without their consent, given that the crime they perpetrated is severe enough. Am I getting that right? Because in this hypothetical search for a cure for sociopathy, I'm assuming he doesn't get a choice in whether he wants to participate in the (experimental or not) treatment?

I'm all for offering them the choice to participate in such programs (preferably tested ones, not experimental), but to make it mandatory as part of the punishment, again, is completely unethical. It's basically equivalent to corporal punishment (except it's partially it's mental).

Aaaack! I don't know how this one got so out of control. Maybe because I was completely shocked and disgusted at the time.

No, I don't think OUR prisons are righteous but somewhere between afternoon tea then badminton before naptime and "don't drop the soap" is maybe appropriate.

Still shocked and disgusted. Images burned into my head. This guy hurt someone and *liked it*. I'm pissed about the irreparable injustice in that fact and the fact that he will most likely never UN-enjoy it or regret it. That just...SUCKS. It sucks on a level that's difficult to accept.

[Placid Dingo]

By 'in between' does that mean you DON'T think it's ok to allow/encourage a culture of rape and sexual assault in prisons? I'm going to take it that way, but I do have to wonder, regarding to previous tone/tirade.

[navkat]

By 'in between' does that mean you DON'T think it's ok to allow/encourage a culture of rape and sexual assault in prisons? I'm going to take it that way, but I do have to wonder, regarding to previous tone/tirade.

Of course I don't think it's okay to rape or torture. That's ridiculous. WHO DOES THAT?

I'm just really...frustrated that this punk killed someone who seems like a perfectly nice person...someone who had value to others and loved ones and a life and will probably just sit around, deluding himself unchallenged for the rest of his life and chilling in the billiard room, putting on his little show for other mental patients instead of...IDK, I don't think he should suffer agony but I think his time and therapy should either be 1. Hard work and/or 2. beneficial in some way to advancing the science on this type of stuff.

It's upsetting. I'm actually shocked by my own initial reaction to the whole thing but I'm trying to be candid as well. IDK, maybe that makes me a hypocrite after all: I consider myself a person averse to cruelty of any sort having been victim of the same but I just don't know how I feel about this...I'm angry. There is a significant part of me in a very dark, ugly place that feels like...I don't know...like, if people like this exist and are unfixable and prove themselves predators, maybe they should be exterminated. That's a horrible think to say and feel and I hate myself for it. I would never act on it but it's there and instead of lying/denying it, I'm facing/admitting it so that maybe some sunshine can shine in.

My only hope is that it's valid for me to say something to the effect of:
Heroic defense of proper justice occurs not when the defendant's guilt is ambiguous or controversial, but rather, when his crimes are certain, outrageous and reprehensible. It is easy to stand for humane and just treatment when the way is cast in doubt but more honorable when the chant "Off with his head" chokes your every thought and yet, in spite of this, you proceed in righteousness and peace in practice.

I feel the very core of my sense of due process and humane treatment challenged but I'm aware that to advocate murder and cruelty makes me little better than that which repulses me.

[Placid Dingo]

Wow, that was a very intense self analysis. Props to you, Nav.

[navkat]

Wow, that was a very intense self analysis. Props to you, Nav.

Thanks. I'm imperfect but I like to think maybe I can get better if I try honestly.

[P3nT4gR4m]

By 'in between' does that mean you DON'T think it's ok to allow/encourage a culture of rape and sexual assault in prisons? I'm going to take it that way, but I do have to wonder, regarding to previous tone/tirade.

Of course I don't think it's okay to rape or torture. That's ridiculous. WHO DOES THAT?

I'm just really...frustrated that this punk killed someone who seems like a perfectly nice person...someone who had value to others and loved ones and a life and will probably just sit around, deluding himself unchallenged for the rest of his life and chilling in the billiard room, putting on his little show for other mental patients instead of...IDK, I don't think he should suffer agony but I think his time and therapy should either be 1. Hard work and/or 2. beneficial in some way to advancing the science on this type of stuff.

It's upsetting. I'm actually shocked by my own initial reaction to the whole thing but I'm trying to be candid as well. IDK, maybe that makes me a hypocrite after all: I consider myself a person averse to cruelty of any sort having been victim of the same but I just don't know how I feel about this...I'm angry. There is a significant part of me in a very dark, ugly place that feels like...I don't know...like, if people like this exist and are unfixable and prove themselves predators, maybe they should be exterminated. That's a horrible think to say and feel and I hate myself for it. I would never act on it but it's there and instead of lying/denying it, I'm facing/admitting it so that maybe some sunshine can shine in.

My only hope is that it's valid for me to say something to the effect of:
Heroic defense of proper justice occurs not when the defendant's guilt is ambiguous or controversial, but rather, when his crimes are certain, outrageous and reprehensible. It is easy to stand for humane and just treatment when the way is cast in doubt but more honorable when the chant "Off with his head" chokes your every thought and yet, in spite of this, you proceed in righteousness and peace in practice.

I feel the very core of my sense of due process and humane treatment challenged but I'm aware that to advocate murder and cruelty makes me little better than that which repulses me.

One word - "Kneejerk"

don't beat yourself up over it, it's the lynchpin of democratic law

[navkat]

Thanks.

Do a barrel roll ITT for srs.