I'll just leave this here....

[Freeky]

And now I have to go find a libertariansim thread and an anarchy thread.

LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO. 

[AFK]

Nobody is "out to get you", RWHN. Some of us just think you're wrong and that your arguments in this arena show a dismaying lack of consistency, eloquence, or credibility. Is that really so hard to believe?

Do you and ECH PM each other before you post in this thread?  Or is "eloquence" the secret PD.COM forum "word of the day"?

My consistency is fine.  The problem with these debates is the different knowledge bases.  It's pretty clear that my knowledge base is a bit different than some on the other side, and so it doesn't really matter what I say, it's always going to be viewed as "wrong".  This gets into that "knows just enough to be dangerous" idea. 

I'm not sure how it's secret when he used it in a post before I did? 

As I've pointed out before, my friend who has an MPH also disagrees with you. She works on the side of health care and has a different perspective than you, but you, much as you did just there with us, tried to belittle her knowledge base by calling her "misinformed". 



Not even sure I believe that you work in the field that you claim to work in, at this point.

I'm not even sure I give a fuck what either you or ECH think. 

[AFK]

Again, with the "out to get you" meme.  I didn't say anyone was "out to get me", I was simply observing a pattern in posting.  That pattern being disagreeing with my position, and then tacking on some kind of statement along the lines of "oh woe the children that RWHN is trying to help."  In other words, "I disagree with you, and, you must be pretty awful at what you do."

Really? Because I'm pretty sure it's been less than 24 hours since you told me I was trying to "get you".

And yeah, if your job is to mitigate drug abuse in children and you either 1) think that the things you take as "facts" in regards to how drugs work in the body and how both the black market and the federal government work in regards to recreational drugs are really true OR 2) think that spreading those sorts of lies and misinformation is helping your cause, then I'm'a have to go ahead and say that you are not very good at your job. Some of the things you say and appear to actually believe are so egregiously wrong that I wonder if Nigel isn't onto something with regards to wondering if you actually work in the drug prevention field at all. At the very least, I'd sure as hell like to know where you got your field-related education and what level of related degree you hold.

Or 3) maybe, just maybe, you and Nigel are misinformed? No, you guys couldn't be wrong could you. 

And thanks, but I'd rather not feed your hunt for PI.  I'm kinda shocked, actually, that you would even crack that door open given your status on this board.  It's very disappointing. 

[East Coast Hustle]

Yes, because asking where you got your degree is totally fishing for PI. PI that I could obtain any time I want to anyway given that, y'know, I have access to every part of the site AND a pretty decent datamining skillset.

No, really, your personal information (that I could have any time I wanted) is terribly interesting and valuable to me.

And what, exactly, am I misinformed about? I'm not making any claims ITT that are not backed up by either science (atropine is a deadly dangerous drug that does not create a synergistic effect with regards to opioids, that's easy enough to look up) or, in the context of how the black market really works, many years of being a drug dealer/pot grower/smuggler with generations of my family's firsthand knowledge to draw from as well as my own. I mean, have you ever even bought a bag of weed? Have you ever even taken a puff? I'm almost certain you've never smuggled anything across an international border or had to talk your way out of a room full of people pointing automatic weapons at you. You trying to posit that I'm misinformed about how the black market works is like me telling Kai that he doesn't know shit about insects.

[East Coast Hustle]

I'd rather not feed your hunt for PI.  I'm kinda shocked, actually, that you would even crack that door open given your status on this board.  It's very disappointing. 

Upon further reflection, this is one of the ten stupidest things I've ever seen posted here, including anything from Hugh or Eldora.

[East Coast Hustle]

It's probably a good thing I don't have time to make a new "Unlimited" thread.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Again, with the "out to get you" meme.  I didn't say anyone was "out to get me", I was simply observing a pattern in posting.  That pattern being disagreeing with my position, and then tacking on some kind of statement along the lines of "oh woe the children that RWHN is trying to help."  In other words, "I disagree with you, and, you must be pretty awful at what you do."

Really? Because I'm pretty sure it's been less than 24 hours since you told me I was trying to "get you".

And yeah, if your job is to mitigate drug abuse in children and you either 1) think that the things you take as "facts" in regards to how drugs work in the body and how both the black market and the federal government work in regards to recreational drugs are really true OR 2) think that spreading those sorts of lies and misinformation is helping your cause, then I'm'a have to go ahead and say that you are not very good at your job. Some of the things you say and appear to actually believe are so egregiously wrong that I wonder if Nigel isn't onto something with regards to wondering if you actually work in the drug prevention field at all. At the very least, I'd sure as hell like to know where you got your field-related education and what level of related degree you hold.

Or 3) maybe, just maybe, you and Nigel are misinformed? No, you guys couldn't be wrong could you. 

And thanks, but I'd rather not feed your hunt for PI.  I'm kinda shocked, actually, that you would even crack that door open given your status on this board.  It's very disappointing. 

Wow, there's even paranoia to go along with those delusions of grandeur! You could not pay me to believe anyone gives even half a crap about your PI.

Yeah, I'm misinformed because I value documentation, statistics, critical thinking, and the opinions of actual doctors and a woman with an MPH who is highly respected in her field, which is making healthcare policy based on best patient outcome, formerly at OHSU, currently at Providence, and is currently weighing job offers from Kaiser and Outside In, over the opinion of a guy on the internet whose job is (allegedly) being the dude who tells high school students "Don't do drugs, drugs are bad, mmmkay?" and who won't back up most of his claims because it comes from "inside sources" ("DEA informant", lol, too many cops shows dude), or even talk about what kind of training he received, or where.

Dude, come ON, how is anyone supposed to respect that? And then you pop up with the "out to get me" shit when anyone presents an argument you can't counter, or "I'm too busy/important to talk about this". But you started the thread knowing full well that people would challenge your alleged expertise and staunch anti-drug propaganda. It's what you do every time you're not getting enough attention. 99% that you're trolling.

And then you make these absolutely laughable claims about inside knowledge and having to disappear from the board because you might be applying for a Very Big Job and lol dude, this is not some shady organization, it's a little internet forum, and you work for what, the State of Maine? Or a county in Maine? However much you would like us to think you're some kind of big shot... which, by the way, is ludicrous and makes me giggle every time you allude to your "exclusive summits" and "important meetings".

It HAS to be a troll. There's just no way.  It's just too much.

[AFK]

Yes, because asking where you got your degree is totally fishing for PI. PI that I could obtain any time I want to anyway given that, y'know, I have access to every part of the site AND a pretty decent datamining skillset.

No, really, your personal information (that I could have any time I wanted) is terribly interesting and valuable to me.

And what, exactly, am I misinformed about? I'm not making any claims ITT that are not backed up by either science (atropine is a deadly dangerous drug that does not create a synergistic effect with regards to opioids, that's easy enough to look up) or, in the context of how the black market really works, many years of being a drug dealer/pot grower/smuggler with generations of my family's firsthand knowledge to draw from as well as my own. I mean, have you ever even bought a bag of weed? Have you ever even taken a puff? I'm almost certain you've never smuggled anything across an international border or had to talk your way out of a room full of people pointing automatic weapons at you. You trying to posit that I'm misinformed about how the black market works is like me telling Kai that he doesn't know shit about insects.

To borrow from an earlier post:

Not even sure I believe that you were really a dealer/smuggler that you claim to have been, at this point. 

[AFK]

I'd rather not feed your hunt for PI.  I'm kinda shocked, actually, that you would even crack that door open given your status on this board.  It's very disappointing. 

Upon further reflection, this is one of the ten stupidest things I've ever seen posted here, including anything from Hugh or Eldora.

You are publicly asking on a public message board for me to provide information that would link my real name to RWHN.  There is a particular reason I only share as much information on this board that I do. 

While it's not as creepy as Agrippa's comments concerning my daughter, it hits a lot closer than I would have expected from someone like you. 

It is really disappointing. 

[Telarus]

K. Note to self. Any further Cannabis from me posts go in a new thread.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'd rather not feed your hunt for PI.  I'm kinda shocked, actually, that you would even crack that door open given your status on this board.  It's very disappointing. 

Upon further reflection, this is one of the ten stupidest things I've ever seen posted here, including anything from Hugh or Eldora.

You are publicly asking on a public message board for me to provide information that would link my real name to RWHN.  There is a particular reason I only share as much information on this board that I do. 

While it's not as creepy as Agrippa's comments concerning my daughter, it hits a lot closer than I would have expected from someone like you. 

It is really disappointing. 

Yeah, it would be as easy to figure out your real name from what college you went to as it is to deduce my friend's real name if I tell you she got her grad degree at PSU.

Yep! It's practically giving you her maiden name and home address! SO CREEPY!

[AFK]

Again, with the "out to get you" meme.  I didn't say anyone was "out to get me", I was simply observing a pattern in posting.  That pattern being disagreeing with my position, and then tacking on some kind of statement along the lines of "oh woe the children that RWHN is trying to help."  In other words, "I disagree with you, and, you must be pretty awful at what you do."

Really? Because I'm pretty sure it's been less than 24 hours since you told me I was trying to "get you".

And yeah, if your job is to mitigate drug abuse in children and you either 1) think that the things you take as "facts" in regards to how drugs work in the body and how both the black market and the federal government work in regards to recreational drugs are really true OR 2) think that spreading those sorts of lies and misinformation is helping your cause, then I'm'a have to go ahead and say that you are not very good at your job. Some of the things you say and appear to actually believe are so egregiously wrong that I wonder if Nigel isn't onto something with regards to wondering if you actually work in the drug prevention field at all. At the very least, I'd sure as hell like to know where you got your field-related education and what level of related degree you hold.

Or 3) maybe, just maybe, you and Nigel are misinformed? No, you guys couldn't be wrong could you. 

And thanks, but I'd rather not feed your hunt for PI.  I'm kinda shocked, actually, that you would even crack that door open given your status on this board.  It's very disappointing. 

Wow, there's even paranoia to go along with those delusions of grandeur! You could not pay me to believe anyone gives even half a crap about your PI.

Yeah, I'm misinformed because I value documentation, statistics, critical thinking, and the opinions of actual doctors and a woman with an MPH who is highly respected in her field, which is making healthcare policy based on best patient outcome, formerly at OHSU, currently at Providence, and is currently weighing job offers from Kaiser and Outside In, over the opinion of a guy on the internet whose job is (allegedly) being the dude who tells high school students "Don't do drugs, drugs are bad, mmmkay?" and who won't back up most of his claims because it comes from "inside sources" ("DEA informant", lol, too many cops shows dude), or even talk about what kind of training he received, or where.

Dude, come ON, how is anyone supposed to respect that? And then you pop up with the "out to get me" shit when anyone presents an argument you can't counter, or "I'm too busy/important to talk about this". But you started the thread knowing full well that people would challenge your alleged expertise and staunch anti-drug propaganda. It's what you do every time you're not getting enough attention. 99% that you're trolling.

And then you make these absolutely laughable claims about inside knowledge and having to disappear from the board because you might be applying for a Very Big Job and lol dude, this is not some shady organization, it's a little internet forum, and you work for what, the State of Maine? Or a county in Maine? However much you would like us to think you're some kind of big shot... which, by the way, is ludicrous and makes me giggle every time you allude to your "exclusive summits" and "important meetings".

It HAS to be a troll. There's just no way.  It's just too much.

I suppose what I do isn't quite as esteemed as painting beads, or whatever it is you do. 

Look, maybe I didn't make it clear enough a few months back but I can fix that.  I don't like you.  I've never really liked you very much.  Yes, I think you are grossly misinformed on many of these topics.  I think trying to debate or discuss this topic with you is like trying to reason with a Birther. 

Yeah, I did expect this to happen in this thread because you two just can't resist.  I knew it would only be a matter of time before you found an angle to start acting like asshats.  And you performed just as I imagined you would.  This thread was fine, as it was simply a discussion about what the motivation was behind the administration going after the dispensaries in California.  It wasn't, nor was it ever meant, to be another knock-down, drag-out philosophical debate on medical marijuana. 

I mean, we can do that, but it is really pointless to do it with you or ECH.  Rat and I also have some serious disagreements on this issue but he at least is able to actually debate the topic on a productive level.  You two aren't capable of that.  That's why these threads turn out the way they do.  And I can assure you I'm not alone in that assessment. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh! Oh! Oh! I have one for you... I met this guy at a bar, and he's a fish biologist with a degree from Evergreen. I am pretty sure you can ID him based on that, right? 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I know you don't like me, RWHN. And that's why I poke you, because you make yourself so easy to make fun of. That, and your arguments are lame.

And you use the word "misinformed" incorrectly a LOT.

[BabylonHoruv]

1.  RWHN:  Disagreeing with you is NOT "being out to get you".  Trust me on this, I have some experience in the paranoia department.  Being against drug abuse does not mean you have to support or defend every shitty thing done in the name of prevention.  That's the same mindset you see over at Capitol Grilling when the two sides line up to defend all manner of odious shit because "their side" did it.

Again, with the "out to get you" meme.  I didn't say anyone was "out to get me", I was simply observing a pattern in posting.  That pattern being disagreeing with my position, and then tacking on some kind of statement along the lines of "oh woe the children that RWHN is trying to help."  In other words, "I disagree with you, and, you must be pretty awful at what you do."

But again, I reitirate, one should not take this observation as me taking that personally.  I can assure everyone that I do not.  I'm very comfortable with my performance in my profession.  I kinda figure when I am appointed to significant positions, get invited to exclusive summits, and receive "atta boys" from the state and federal level, I must be doing okay.  I'm not going to lose sleep at night because a couple of people on the internet think I'm wrong. 

And I honestly disagree with your and the assessment of others when it comes to other ingredients in prescription drugs.  You all seem to be assuming nefarious intent.  A focused intent to make drug abusers gravely ill.  Any prescription drug when taken in too high amounts can make someone gravely ill even if they don't add any other ingredients in the mix.  But again, if someone has some smoking gun that proves that there was a calculated and nefarious intent, I would like to see it. 

Aceteminophen I can see conceivably being a legitimate additive, since it is a painkiller.  Atropine though?  Can you think of any other reason to add Atropine aside from to make people gravely ill if they take more than the suggested dose? I know it does have some legitimate medical uses, none of them are in any way related to pain relief or cough supression, the two uses for Codeine. The stated purpose is to "reduce the potential for abuse" which it does, rather effectively, by KILLING ABUSERS. How is that intent anything but nefarious?