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Started by Prince Glittersnatch III, October 24, 2011, 11:36:08 PM

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Suu

Oh holy hell, now we have dinosaur raep in 2 threads.  :lulz:
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Triple Zero

Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2011, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
I'm pretty sure I got both mumps and measles when I was young too, btw. Isn't that the point, as long as you get them while you're young it's not as bad? And I guess that's what the vaccine is for, so you can get it without really getting totally ill.

Though I really can't remember how crappy it was because I was really young.

As long as you wanna risk encephalitis, pneumonia and thrombocytopenia...that's with measles alone.  Again, 000, you were one of the lucky ones.

Checking up, I'm not sure if I got measles btw. I'm sure I had mumps, though, but Wikipedia says it's relatively harmless, as long as there's no complications. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones because of our healthcare system?

Mumps vaccination was introduced in 1987 in the Netherlands, I'm guessing I already had had it by then. Cause it was for kids 14 months and kids 9 years old, and I was born in 1980.
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Jenne

Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2011, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2011, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
I'm pretty sure I got both mumps and measles when I was young too, btw. Isn't that the point, as long as you get them while you're young it's not as bad? And I guess that's what the vaccine is for, so you can get it without really getting totally ill.

Though I really can't remember how crappy it was because I was really young.

As long as you wanna risk encephalitis, pneumonia and thrombocytopenia...that's with measles alone.  Again, 000, you were one of the lucky ones.

Checking up, I'm not sure if I got measles btw. I'm sure I had mumps, though, but Wikipedia says it's relatively harmless, as long as there's no complications. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones because of our healthcare system?

Mumps vaccination was introduced in 1987 in the Netherlands, I'm guessing I already had had it by then. Cause it was for kids 14 months and kids 9 years old, and I was born in 1980.

Health care, your level of caretaking at home by your family, good nutrition and genetic wheel of fortune--I think those are what help kids survive these diseases without complications that alter the course of their lives forever.

Suu

It's a good thing smallpox was eradicated 40 years ago. I'd be scared to think what would happen in 3rd world countries today with the population they have if that ever came back. Could you survive it? Sure...but you wouldn't be pretty.
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Jenne

Quote from: Suu on October 27, 2011, 07:46:27 PM
It's a good thing smallpox was eradicated 40 years ago. I'd be scared to think what would happen in 3rd world countries today with the population they have if that ever came back. Could you survive it? Sure...but you wouldn't be pretty.

Literally:
http://www.google.com/search?q=smallpox&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7SNNT_enUS376US376&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=877&bih=564

(don't click, it's seriously not pretty)

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Suu on October 27, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
I have to admit I'm not a huge fan of the chickenpox vaccine, though. It seems less effective than contracting the disease and you have to get regular boosters. Granted, I had an epic case of the pox when I was 5, and when the nurse last year saw my titer test, she was like...damn, you had the disease, huh?

I know that it's not so much as as the chickenpox that's scary, but the side effects. Obviously you'll be susceptible to getting shingles when you're older since, because varicella is a form of herp-a-derp, it never leaves your body, but contracting true chickenpox as an adult is fucking scary once the shots wear off. I wasn't thrilled with having to get that fucking DTaP and the Hep B series, myself, but I still did it. I'd much rather get chickenpox again than Hep B.  :kingmeh:

You just get a booster every seven years, it's no scarier than getting a tetanus shot every ten years. It's a cheap fuckin shot, too.

I've known several people who didn't get chicken pox as a kid, before there was a vaccine. It's WRETCHED to have as an adult. I feel lucky there is a vaccine now, because I never had it when I was a kid and I had no immunity, despite being around tons of kids who got it.

Kind of glad that people are prettier now, too, due to not having fucked-up pox scarred skin.
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Suu

You sound like my mom. Obviously she had 3 kids who had full blown chickenpox within a month's time in 1988...and she's never had it. I wonder if it's like mono in the effect that you can get it, and not be symptomatic.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2011, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2011, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
I'm pretty sure I got both mumps and measles when I was young too, btw. Isn't that the point, as long as you get them while you're young it's not as bad? And I guess that's what the vaccine is for, so you can get it without really getting totally ill.

Though I really can't remember how crappy it was because I was really young.

As long as you wanna risk encephalitis, pneumonia and thrombocytopenia...that's with measles alone.  Again, 000, you were one of the lucky ones.

Checking up, I'm not sure if I got measles btw. I'm sure I had mumps, though, but Wikipedia says it's relatively harmless, as long as there's no complications. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones because of our healthcare system?

Mumps vaccination was introduced in 1987 in the Netherlands, I'm guessing I already had had it by then. Cause it was for kids 14 months and kids 9 years old, and I was born in 1980.

"relatively harmless, as long as there are no complications"  :lulz: but isn't that true of any disease? HIV is relatively harmless, as long as there are  no complications... it's the complications that get you.

The problem with mumps is that the complications were fatal in 1.6% of all cases.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Suu on October 27, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
You sound like my mom. Obviously she had 3 kids who had full blown chickenpox within a month's time in 1988...and she's never had it. I wonder if it's like mono in the effect that you can get it, and not be symptomatic.

It can be, but I had no antibodies so my doctor vaccinated me.

I got vaccinated for Rubella in my twenties, and for mumps and measles in the late '70's. My sisters missed the measles and mumps vaccines, but got vaccinated for smallpox, which I missed by I think one year.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Suu

The cold has complications too. It's called pneumonia or bronchitis.  Yet there is no shot for rhinovirus, just influenza. I know there's a shit ton of rhinoviri strains, but there's also a shit ton of influenza too, and they just pick and choose which one they think will be more prevalent in the "season". You can catch the flu at any time of the year, same with a cold.

I can shake a cold in a day. The flu, however, will lay me out for a week. I need to get a flu shot this year, I can feel it's going to be a sick winter for me for some reason.
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on October 27, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
You sound like my mom. Obviously she had 3 kids who had full blown chickenpox within a month's time in 1988...and she's never had it. I wonder if it's like mono in the effect that you can get it, and not be symptomatic.

It can be, but I had no antibodies so my doctor vaccinated me.

I got vaccinated for Rubella in my twenties, and for mumps and measles in the late '70's. My sisters missed the measles and mumps vaccines, but got vaccinated for smallpox, which I missed by I think one year.

Sounds like you came in right at the onset of the MMR. I was born in 1982 and I definitely had the MMR. I didn't have smallpox. I think that was officially done in 75. But chickenpox is a relatively new vaccine so naturally I would have had to have the disease. I've got one tiny scar on my face, and that's it. I definitely had polio several times, and TB. I just had Hep B because they didn't start enforcing that for school kids until I was already in high school so I missed that shot series. Now they're just giving it to infants.

Because of the immigrant population, I know they had to reintroduce pertussis to the DTaP, which made my arm swell like a bitch last year, but at least I'm good for another 9 years. I really hate that fucking shot.

They've changed vaccines so much in my lifetime that I was caught in some sort of limbo, hence the titer test last year. They had no idea where I stood. Two vials of blood, 4 shots, and a no lollipops later, I finally got caught up.
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Jenne

#116
Smallpox ended before '73, because that's when I was born, and I didn't get it.  I think it ended near 70 or 71, actually.

ETA:  '71:

1971 was the year in which the Surgeon General of the United States Public Health Service, the Redbook Committee of the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Territorial Health Officers agreed that the time had come to discontinue routine primary smallpox vaccination for American children. As a result of this it may also be expected that school vaccination laws presently in effect in some 28 states will soon be repealed or will not be enforced with vigor.

From http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/49/4/489

ETA:  So that means '72 is probably the very last year to get them, and my aunt born in '72 didn't get one...so that's that.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

When I was a kid the measles and mumps were separate shots, no rubella. I got the measles shot first and then the mumps shot later, twice: I had to have two different vaccines because the first vaccine was only something like 70% effective.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Smallpox ended before '73, because that's when I was born, and I didn't get it.  I think it ended near 70 or 71, actually.

ETA:  '71:

1971 was the year in which the Surgeon General of the United States Public Health Service, the Redbook Committee of the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Territorial Health Officers agreed that the time had come to discontinue routine primary smallpox vaccination for American children. As a result of this it may also be expected that school vaccination laws presently in effect in some 28 states will soon be repealed or will not be enforced with vigor.

From http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/49/4/489

I was born in '71, so that makes sense.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

The main reason there's no rhinovirus vaccine is that it mutates too fast for a vaccine to ever be effective... faster than influenza.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."