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Mandatory Anthrax vaccinations for children?

Started by Don Coyote, October 28, 2011, 02:34:33 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 28, 2011, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 28, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
My buddy in the Air Force says he got really fucked up by his Anthrax vaccine. He says that a result of the vaccine, his body temperature is constantly 2 or 3 degrees higher than normal. His skin is warm to the touch, and he rarely wears a coat during winter.

That vaccine was controversial when they made it mandatory for the military too, no?

I don't know how you do a risk/benefit analysis of something like an anthrax breakout.

Yep. A bunch of soldiers got  shat on for refusing the vaccine. That was like 4 years ago I think. As of at least 09, I don't recall reading any literature against it, and don't know of any soldier in the last 2 years having negative side-effects to it.

I got it years ago, and there's nothing wrong with me.  I'm the very fucking model of sanity and rationality.  I'm like PD's very own Leo fucking Buscaglia.
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Suu

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Suu

Quote from: nihilbilly on October 28, 2011, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: nihilbilly on October 28, 2011, 09:54:18 PM
male hpv vaccination would be a much better plan.

They're already giving it to boys; I have several friends who have had their sons vaccinated and mine is scheduled at his next visit.

Oh, awesome.  :)

I'm much more afraid of genital rotting cancer than i am of anthrax.  So if they're gonna make any vaccine mandatory it should be male/female hpv.

Speaking as someone with genital-rotting cancer who has to have a pap/colpo/biopsy/scraping/electric knife doing horrible things to my cervix for the next couple of years, I condone this course of action.
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"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Suu

Also my question is, why is it always Anthrax?

Why don't they get fucking sneaky and throw in something less deadly but completely unmanageable for a bit while total chaos breaks out? Like smallpox?

You KNOW someone somewhere has a vile of smallpox in their fridge, and it's been there since the 70s. No one under the age of 40 is immune to it. With the rate it spreads and the fact that there's obviously no stockpile of vaccine kickin' around, people would be sick in no time. It wouldn't kill everyone, because it's "manageable" with antibiotics nowadays and good hygiene, but I bet your ass that it would come out of left field, deplete a lot of penicillin supplies, and cause extreme panic while shit got under control and a few people had eyes assplode?

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"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Don Coyote

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2011, 04:49:15 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 28, 2011, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 28, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
My buddy in the Air Force says he got really fucked up by his Anthrax vaccine. He says that a result of the vaccine, his body temperature is constantly 2 or 3 degrees higher than normal. His skin is warm to the touch, and he rarely wears a coat during winter.

That vaccine was controversial when they made it mandatory for the military too, no?

I don't know how you do a risk/benefit analysis of something like an anthrax breakout.

Yep. A bunch of soldiers got  shat on for refusing the vaccine. That was like 4 years ago I think. As of at least 09, I don't recall reading any literature against it, and don't know of any soldier in the last 2 years having negative side-effects to it.

I got it years ago, and there's nothing wrong with me.  I'm the very fucking model of sanity and rationality.  I'm like PD's very own Leo fucking Buscaglia.

And you got in the 90s right?

Like I said, I haven't heard of anything negative about in the last 2 years, I know how fucked up it was.

But, fuck, now it looks like I am defending the fucking vaccine. :|


Quote from: Suu on October 29, 2011, 05:15:38 AM
Also my question is, why is it always Anthrax?

Why don't they get fucking sneaky and throw in something less deadly but completely unmanageable for a bit while total chaos breaks out? Like smallpox?

You KNOW someone somewhere has a vile of smallpox in their fridge, and it's been there since the 70s. No one under the age of 40 is immune to it. With the rate it spreads and the fact that there's obviously no stockpile of vaccine kickin' around, people would be sick in no time. It wouldn't kill everyone, because it's "manageable" with antibiotics nowadays and good hygiene, but I bet your ass that it would come out of left field, deplete a lot of penicillin supplies, and cause extreme panic while shit got under control and a few people had eyes assplode?



smallpox is viral. penicillin would do jack for it.

Suu

You're right, good call. This virus I have right now is effecting my "derp" gland.

Oh well, then it would be even better, because you can't kill a virus, as it's not living. The world would simply run out of orange juice and Airborne.
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Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Don Coyote

Quote from: Suu on October 29, 2011, 05:33:37 AM
You're right, good call. This virus I have right now is effecting my "derp" gland.

Oh well, then it would be even better, because you can't kill a virus, as it's not living. The world would simply run out of orange juice and Airborne.

Or go blind.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2011, 04:49:15 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 28, 2011, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 28, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
My buddy in the Air Force says he got really fucked up by his Anthrax vaccine. He says that a result of the vaccine, his body temperature is constantly 2 or 3 degrees higher than normal. His skin is warm to the touch, and he rarely wears a coat during winter.

That vaccine was controversial when they made it mandatory for the military too, no?

I don't know how you do a risk/benefit analysis of something like an anthrax breakout.

Yep. A bunch of soldiers got  shat on for refusing the vaccine. That was like 4 years ago I think. As of at least 09, I don't recall reading any literature against it, and don't know of any soldier in the last 2 years having negative side-effects to it.

I got it years ago, and there's nothing wrong with me.  I'm the very fucking model of sanity and rationality.  I'm like PD's very own Leo fucking Buscaglia.

ENDORSEMENT OF THE YEAR.  :lulz:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Suu on October 29, 2011, 05:15:38 AM
Also my question is, why is it always Anthrax?

Why don't they get fucking sneaky and throw in something less deadly but completely unmanageable for a bit while total chaos breaks out? Like smallpox?

You KNOW someone somewhere has a vile of smallpox in their fridge, and it's been there since the 70s. No one under the age of 40 is immune to it. With the rate it spreads and the fact that there's obviously no stockpile of vaccine kickin' around, people would be sick in no time. It wouldn't kill everyone, because it's "manageable" with antibiotics nowadays and good hygiene, but I bet your ass that it would come out of left field, deplete a lot of penicillin supplies, and cause extreme panic while shit got under control and a few people had eyes assplode?



That was a major fear being bandied about after 9/11. Because Smallpox is a highly contagious, rapid-spreading virus with a high mortality rate, that we have no vaccine stocks for. Fortunately there are very few, highly guarded sources of the virus still alive.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Suu

And you can grow Anthrax spores in your kitchen with minimal equipment, in theory...
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 06:07:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2011, 04:49:15 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 28, 2011, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 28, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
My buddy in the Air Force says he got really fucked up by his Anthrax vaccine. He says that a result of the vaccine, his body temperature is constantly 2 or 3 degrees higher than normal. His skin is warm to the touch, and he rarely wears a coat during winter.

That vaccine was controversial when they made it mandatory for the military too, no?

I don't know how you do a risk/benefit analysis of something like an anthrax breakout.

Yep. A bunch of soldiers got  shat on for refusing the vaccine. That was like 4 years ago I think. As of at least 09, I don't recall reading any literature against it, and don't know of any soldier in the last 2 years having negative side-effects to it.

I got it years ago, and there's nothing wrong with me.  I'm the very fucking model of sanity and rationality.  I'm like PD's very own Leo fucking Buscaglia.

ENDORSEMENT OF THE YEAR.  :lulz:

Everyone should be like me.  The world would be much more pleasant.

For a given value of pleasant.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 06:07:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2011, 04:49:15 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 28, 2011, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 28, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
My buddy in the Air Force says he got really fucked up by his Anthrax vaccine. He says that a result of the vaccine, his body temperature is constantly 2 or 3 degrees higher than normal. His skin is warm to the touch, and he rarely wears a coat during winter.

That vaccine was controversial when they made it mandatory for the military too, no?

I don't know how you do a risk/benefit analysis of something like an anthrax breakout.

Yep. A bunch of soldiers got  shat on for refusing the vaccine. That was like 4 years ago I think. As of at least 09, I don't recall reading any literature against it, and don't know of any soldier in the last 2 years having negative side-effects to it.

I got it years ago, and there's nothing wrong with me.  I'm the very fucking model of sanity and rationality.  I'm like PD's very own Leo fucking Buscaglia.

ENDORSEMENT OF THE YEAR.  :lulz:

Everyone should be like me.  The world would be much more pleasant.

For a given value of pleasant.

I expect that most of the world might not use the word "pleasant" to describe it.

On the other hand, if everyone was like you, then they might find it very pleasant indeed.

(Imagining a whole Meetrack full of Rogers)
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Triple Zero

Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 04:41:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Everyone should be like me.  The world would be much more pleasant.

For a given value of pleasant.

I expect that most of the world might not use the word "pleasant" to describe it.

On the other hand, if everyone was like you, then they might find it very pleasant indeed.

(Imagining a whole Meetrack full of Rogers)

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e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Triple Zero on November 04, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 04:41:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Everyone should be like me.  The world would be much more pleasant.

For a given value of pleasant.

I expect that most of the world might not use the word "pleasant" to describe it.

On the other hand, if everyone was like you, then they might find it very pleasant indeed.

(Imagining a whole Meetrack full of Rogers)



Like this, plus bourbon.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Triple Zero on November 04, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 04:41:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Everyone should be like me.  The world would be much more pleasant.

For a given value of pleasant.

I expect that most of the world might not use the word "pleasant" to describe it.

On the other hand, if everyone was like you, then they might find it very pleasant indeed.

(Imagining a whole Meetrack full of Rogers)



I don't see a downside, here.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.