ATTN The Wizard Joseph

[Pæs]

utterly pants

Have I ever mentioned that I love the fucking British?

[The Wizard Joseph]

I'm WAY behind the curve on music and pop culture, but there's a lot of stuff that I do like.  Here's an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYsGWh_vpE


Lacking any real knowledge of music and the history of bands I tend to take it in on whether or not it's pretty or meaningful to me.  This one is both.

[Hoser McRhizzy]

I just watched ALL the videos on the previous page.

Holy poop...

I hate you all.

Now, that's just mean.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

Youtube as always, shall provide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbyG2MrBHk&ob=av2e

How? I don't... That just--

AAAAH

[The Wizard Joseph]

A bright bit of fun with Babylon from the thread Prostitution and Feminism started by Nigel. 

Normally I'd consider dragging all this to my garbage pile thread and pick it apart there, but I'm still working on a bit about Hirley0 for that one and also think it's only fair to bring this to the thread Babsy made for me so I would "kindly fuckoff" from his doomed Christmas thread.

I'm dragging it here because I got stuff to say and Nigel's thread just now got back on an interesting track again after this crap. I've no wish to spag it up further, yet definitely have no urge to drop this.

Purely anecdotal, but I have been friends with one hooker.  When I first knew her she was someone with a lot of issues, but she did honestly enjoy the job.  She really enjoyed sex and didn't connect it with that emotional connection that is so important for so many people.  She was young though (16) and I didn't see her again for a few years, when I did again, fairly briefly, 3 years later she looked unhealthy and seemed mentally disconnected.  she hadn't been a heavy drug user when I first knew her, I don't know if she was or not when I saw her again but she certainly looked it.  She didn't have much time to talk because she was with a client who decided it was time to go somewhere more private but it definitely seemed to me that the life had taken a hard toll on her.

She was definitely an economy class hooker, not an upscale escort, but more of the barfly sort than a streetwalker, although she solicited at all ages venues rather than bars.

What I said.  The porn princess effect makes no exceptions.

Babylon did it ever occur to you that this 16 year old child you call "friend" needed to be given better guidance and steered away from that "life path?"  You're just a great fucking friend aren't you?  Go your way, fuck off, and die.
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I think that Nigel, Jenne, and others have it right to judge men with a taste for prostitutes unworthy.  It's an indicator of weakness, and it would seem to me that weakness is the last thing a stressed and busy person needs in a partner.

Babylon did it ever occur to you that this 16 year old child you call "friend" needed to be given better guidance and steered away from that "life path?"  You're just a great fucking friend aren't you?  Go your way, fuck off, and die.
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I think that Nigel, Jenne, and others have it right to judge men with a taste for prostitutes unworthy.  It's an indicator of weakness, and it would seem to me that weakness is the last thing a stressed and busy person needs in a partner.

I was in a worse space than her at that point.  Drinking cough syrup regularly, suicidal, and about to be institutionalized.  I wasn't really able to pull anyone out of anything.  If I were to encounter someone in a similar situation now I'd try to offer useful mature guidance, at that point I had none to offer.

Also, as I said, she wasn't in that bad of a space when she was 16.  She enjoyed her work and was generally doing pretty well.  She was doing much worse 3 years later, and I was in a space where I might have had some useful guidance to offer, unfortunately I only saw her long enough for a "hi how have you been?"  "It's complicated, I need to go fuck this person now" "oh, ok, well bye"

I was in a worse space than her at that point. 

No, you weren't.

Maybe not.  Not having walked in her shoes I'm not qualified to judge.  However she wasn't a heavy drug user and I was.  She was hooking by choice and had a place to sleep, food to eat, and clean clothes to wear.  I was squatting and eating at soup kitchens and wearing the same clothes for weeks at a time.

How many times did you suck dick for drugs?

I never did.  I did once in a situation that involved having a place to sleep for a while, but it wasn't an explicit trade.  I imagine she did, I never asked, but she didn't have to.  She lived with her parents still and had enough spending money just from them to support what little drug use she did.

I'm fairly sure the main reason she hooked was because she enjoyed it, because she didn't charge much.

I never did. 

Then you weren't in a worse spot than her.

I think you are over-rating the awfulness of sucking dick in exchange for drugs and/or cash.

Not saying it's a good space to be in, but I do think it's better than being a homeless suicidal druggie.

I think you are over-rating the awfulness of sucking dick in exchange for drugs and/or cash. 

This is just as vomitmirthy as the snuff thing.

agreed!

If the awfulness is so overrated to him, he needs to consider it as a career option.

If the other option is spanging and squatting I might.  Compared to my current career (piercer at a tattoo shop) it sucks dick.

Not as bad as other possibilities is not the same as not bad at all.

Boldness added to quotes for continuity

THIS bit from AMB is also crucially important to what I have to say.

Purely anecdotal, but I have been friends with one hooker.  When I first knew her she was someone with a lot of issues, but she did honestly enjoy the job.  She really enjoyed sex and didn't connect it with that emotional connection that is so important for so many people.  She was young though (16) and I didn't see her again for a few years, when I did again, fairly briefly, 3 years later she looked unhealthy and seemed mentally disconnected.  she hadn't been a heavy drug user when I first knew her, I don't know if she was or not when I saw her again but she certainly looked it.  She didn't have much time to talk because she was with a client who decided it was time to go somewhere more private but it definitely seemed to me that the life had taken a hard toll on her.

She was definitely an economy class hooker, not an upscale escort, but more of the barfly sort than a streetwalker, although she solicited at all ages venues rather than bars.

Prostitution, especially in those cases where a person has to do it to live, is rape. When the only option other than fucking some disgusting old man and being considered some kind of subhuman piece of garbage, is sleeping on pavement in the winter and starving, it's really no different than a knife to the throat.

As far her being mentally disconnected, http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/recovering-trauma/201012/trauma-and-dissociation

Reading this gives me the impression that you did not really know this person well and were not really a friend.  What you might have added could have summed up to

"Yeah, I met this 16 year old hooker a few years ago.  She seemed more traumatized than before when I met her again somewhat recently."

The rest seems to be statements about your own wretched state and noting that she seemed to enjoy her work somewhat. At least when you first met her.

Others pointed out, and I'd like to drive home, that such behavior is abnormal.  It's particularly abnormal for someone that has their material needs met, as you seem to indicate. 
It's like you wanted to tell a "happy hooker goes downhill" story and only managed to reveal your ignorance or (and I think this is more likely) disturbing apathy. 

Also were you availing yourself of her services? How can you know that her prices were low? 
You said

I'm fairly sure the main reason she hooked was because she enjoyed it, because she didn't charge much.

This statement reads that you are uncertain of her intentions and reasons, but you are sure of her pricing and think of it in a past-tense definitive way.  This is not an accusation.  It's an observation and follow up question.

I've wasted enough precious time on you for the moment Babbsy.  I'm sure you've had a rough go of life and can sympathize.  For the moment I've seen nothing from you worth salvaging.  I will now kindly fuck off and leave you alone until the next fool ass thing issues from your mouth, or I find something genuinely praiseworthy.  Guess which would surprise me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There are some other precious statements by him in this thread on TOTSE2:

hxxp://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?8103-What-s-wrong-with-rape-jokes

I don't think most rape victims suffer from PTSD. Most rapes aren't violent.

Fucking someone who is passed out is definitely rape, it's a nasty violation, but considering she can't actually remember it, since she wasn't conscious for it I doubt it's gonna cause PTSD. It didn't in the one woman I know that it happened to, she sorta shrugged it off with a shudder of "eww that's gross I don't want to think about it"

[BabylonHoruv]

No, I did not avail myself of her services.  I knew how much she charged because it came up in conversation.  She was rather proud of the fact that she hooked.  Part of what an odd girl she was.

[BabylonHoruv]

There are some other precious statements by him in this thread on TOTSE2:

hxxp://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?8103-What-s-wrong-with-rape-jokes

I don't think most rape victims suffer from PTSD. Most rapes aren't violent.

Fucking someone who is passed out is definitely rape, it's a nasty violation, but considering she can't actually remember it, since she wasn't conscious for it I doubt it's gonna cause PTSD. It didn't in the one woman I know that it happened to, she sorta shrugged it off with a shudder of "eww that's gross I don't want to think about it"

Isn't discussion of an ongoing troll in the public parts of the forum frowned upon?

[The Wizard Joseph]

There are some other precious statements by him in this thread on TOTSE2:

hxxp://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?8103-What-s-wrong-with-rape-jokes

I don't think most rape victims suffer from PTSD. Most rapes aren't violent.

Fucking someone who is passed out is definitely rape, it's a nasty violation, but considering she can't actually remember it, since she wasn't conscious for it I doubt it's gonna cause PTSD. It didn't in the one woman I know that it happened to, she sorta shrugged it off with a shudder of "eww that's gross I don't want to think about it"

Thanks Nigel.

WOW.  Babylon you ignorant, unfunny existential clusterfuck.  This is how you troll?  I thought the troll thing meant that you were being a different persona to annoy people?  Are you trolling when you're here?  Are you a pagan troll?  I think so.

You are part of the Pagan Alliance and a traitor! My droids will not ask any questions.  You will be frozen in that bad batch of Carbonite that the manufacturer left a process indicator tag on. It will itch terribly for eternity and kill you if someone attempts a thaw.  Your home planet will be destroyed so it's people will stop sending intergalactic letters begging for destruction to end the shame you bring them.

Please die soon. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Wow.  That was some stupid fucking shit, Babylon.  Even for you.

[Phox]

I thought the troll thing meant that you were being a different persona to annoy people?

Nah, I never use personae. They just get in my way.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I thought the troll thing meant that you were being a different persona to annoy people?

Nah, I never use personae. They just get in my way.

Sometimes I use gimmicks but it gets tiresome so I'm usually just myself. Saying what I think.

[Phox]

I thought the troll thing meant that you were being a different persona to annoy people?

Nah, I never use personae. They just get in my way.

Sometimes I use gimmicks but it gets tiresome so I'm usually just myself. Saying what I think.

That's the best way to do it anyway. Shows you who's worth something and who isn't rather quickly, doesn't it?

ETA: forgot that last part.

[The Wizard Joseph]

I thought the troll thing meant that you were being a different persona to annoy people?

Nah, I never use personae. They just get in my way.

Sometimes I use gimmicks but it gets tiresome so I'm usually just myself. Saying what I think.

That's the best way to do it anyway. Shows you who's worth something and who isn't rather quickly, doesn't it?

ETA: forgot that last part.

Cool, i have been and will remain ridiculously busy, and I'll be around very seldom for a while as i settle out my move.  When I get it back together I'll probably try trolling and see how long i can keep them from banning me while dropping info leading to my site.  More like shilling than truly trolling.  the results should be hilarious anyway.

I'll be off and on this afternoon, then probably out of regular contact for a week or 5 days.  It should be noted that this experience here at PD has been pretty freaking awesome and I have learned a lot on more diverse topics than any other info source I've used.  I very much look forward to getting to know the people here better.   

I also hope to make some real contributions here over time, we'll see how that goes.