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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 pm »
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2011, 04:27:06 pm »
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 pm
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.

Yeah. Rock is basically music that isn't pop, except when it is.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2011, 04:39:57 pm »
Pop ate rock then shit it out in bite sized chunks of sparkly mediocrity. Rock is an attitude that got buried in an unmarked grave along with the punks.

And OP - Heart? Did you say Heart? WTF???  :eek:
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2011, 05:30:30 pm »
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 07, 2011, 03:59:29 pm
*shrug*

It ain't the Metal hall of fame.

I'd be down to start up a Metal Hall of Fame, but only if we're going to put it in a burned-out church in bumfuck, Norway.

Yes, but metal definitely belongs to the rock and roll family.  It is one of rock's offspring. 
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2011, 05:31:37 pm »
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 pm
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.

And especially within the context of the RnR HOF, when they induct Madonna.  Okay, she's had a couple of tunes that have been kinda rock, but mostly she's been a very pop dance/pop act. 
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2011, 05:33:28 pm »
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 07, 2011, 04:39:57 pm
Pop ate rock then shit it out in bite sized chunks of sparkly mediocrity. Rock is an attitude that got buried in an unmarked grave along with the punks.

And OP - Heart? Did you say Heart? WTF???  :eek:

Heart have overall been a pretty decent rock band.  Yeah, they definitely glammed it up in the late 80s, like every other band. 
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2011, 05:36:28 pm »
Rock n roll is a definable thing.  It may be a broad catagory (Elton John vs Metal, for example), but it is NOT all inclusive.

Industrial/house/dubstep:  NOT rock n roll
Slow jam:  NOT rock n roll.
Hip Hop:  Is SOMETIMES rock n roll.
Taylor Swift:  NOT rock n roll.
Johnny Cash:  SOMETIMES rock n roll.
Pat Boone:  IS rock n roll when he's off his meds, is NOT rock n roll when he's on them.
Country Music in general:  CAN be rock n roll, but usually isn't.
Jazz:  NOT rock n roll.
Blues:  NOT rock n roll, but is in fact rock n roll's daddy.
Emotard shit:  NOT NOT NOT rock n roll
Punk (real punk):  Was USUALLY rock n roll.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2011, 05:52:43 pm »
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 07, 2011, 05:33:28 pm
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 07, 2011, 04:39:57 pm
Pop ate rock then shit it out in bite sized chunks of sparkly mediocrity. Rock is an attitude that got buried in an unmarked grave along with the punks.

And OP - Heart? Did you say Heart? WTF???  :eek:

Heart have overall been a pretty decent rock band.  Yeah, they definitely glammed it up in the late 80s, like every other band. 

What? Heart was terrible.

I mean, have you heard Barracuda?

Lamest. Riff. Ever.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2011, 06:05:34 pm »
And defining rock 'n' roll is easy:

If the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's rock 'n' roll.

If having to listen to the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's not rock 'n' roll.

This can even vary drastically within one band's discography:

Damage Inc.?  VERY rock 'n' roll.

Nothing Else Matters? Very NOT rock 'n' roll.

Or even between different versions of the same song:

Higher Ground by Stevie Wonder? Not all that rock 'n' roll.

Higher Ground by RHCP? Pretty fuckin' rock 'n' roll.

Or even within a single song:

First 6 hours of Stairway to Heaven? Fuck my life.

Last couple minutes of Stairway to Heaven? I will rape Godzilla to this music.

But yeah, in the context of a Hall of Fame for musicians/bands it's a pretty useless term as currently applied. I still think we should open an actual IRL Metal hall of fame. I bet if we put it someplace like Hoboken or New Bedford or Toledo and made it affordable to the average working-class metalhead, we could actually make loot.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 06:07:17 pm »
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 07, 2011, 06:05:34 pm
And defining rock 'n' roll is easy:

If the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's rock 'n' roll.

If having to listen to the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's not rock 'n' roll.

That's a very good description, if slightly lacking in detail.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2011, 06:40:32 pm »
Donovan?

Donovan??

DONOVAN???

How the hell did DONOVAN get on that list?

Am I seeing that right?

THIS Donovan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCtcXDCxh7w

Because, OK, I really like Donovan, but I may have to completely redefine my concept of rock & roll if he belongs on that list.
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2011, 08:20:21 pm »
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 pm
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.

Which is why when you go to a record store, more than half of the albums are under the Pop/Rock header.

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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2011, 08:25:11 pm »
For our younger folks and pirates, the record store is that place with the shiny round things (encased in titanium-laced plastic) that you can buy and put into your lap-top's built-in cup holder to play music.  ;)
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2011, 08:26:33 pm »
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2011, 05:36:28 pm
Rock n roll is a definable thing.  It may be a broad catagory (Elton John vs Metal, for example), but it is NOT all inclusive.

Maybe a distinction between rock n roll and plain rock is in order?
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Re: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2011, 08:27:54 pm »
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