"Proof" that homophobia is associated with homosexual arousal.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I have to confess that I felt a sense of relief when my daughter told me she was gay.

[Elder Iptuous]

why the negative feelings towards heterosexuality?

[LMNO]

Ok, honestly. I get the same feeling in my gut thinking about "what if my future child is gay" as "what if my child preferred redheads".

Not that the desire is equivalent. The point is IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

What the fuck, people. You know how we say, "going against the mainstream is still letting the mainstream influence you"? Same principle.

Gird them for battle, of course. But don't feel sorry for them. They don't need, or require, your pity. THEY DESERVE YOUR STRENGTH.

YOU CLAIM TO WALK ON TWO LEGS. PROVE IT.

[Elder Iptuous]

it shouldn't matter, but it does from a standpoint of how their life will be in relation to the society around them.  it is most definitely not in the same ballpark as them preferring redheads in that regard.
not preferring it, or even actively desiring that it not be, does not imply pity.
with all due respect, however, i think we're speaking past the point.
the point was simply that one can be disappointed with the circumstance of their child being gay without any antipathy towards homosexuality itself.
so far, i've not heard any rational reason to dispute this.

[LMNO]

With all due respect, and no hard feelings:


BECAUSE. BEING DISAPPOINTED. OF YOUR GAY CHILD. BEING GAY. IS LETTING THE SYSTEM. TELL YOU TO FEEL DISAPPOINTED.

YOU FUCKING RETARD.

[Elder Iptuous]

assuming that by "BEING DISAPPOINTED. OF YOUR GAY CHILD. BEING GAY" you mean being disappointed in your child, then that is a misrepresentation of what i have said despite the fact that i clearly rebuked that very notion.

furthermore, your disrespect was uncalled for.

i'm out, on that note.

[Phox]

If the sexuality of the child was somehow determined by the parents, would you choose to have the child be gay?

Yes. I'd also choose to have said child be female to male transgender, obviously mixed race, poor, from a single parent household, and addicted to crack from birth. 

[Faust]

With all due respect, and no hard feelings:


BECAUSE. BEING DISAPPOINTED. OF YOUR GAY CHILD. BEING GAY. IS LETTING THE SYSTEM. TELL YOU TO FEEL DISAPPOINTED.

YOU FUCKING RETARD.

Depends.

If you want to have kids, being disappointed is what you describe.

If having kids is nothing more then another trophy or furnashing for persons life instead of a human being then I can see why the person would be disappointed.

[Luna]

A friend of mine is now in her second trimester, after two miscarriages.

Somehow, I suspect, she won't care at all if the little one turns out to be gay, as long as the kid is delivered safe, reasonably healthy, and with all the parts in the right places.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think a whole lot of people ITT are willfully misinterpreting what Ippy is saying.

Not that I agree with him, but I certainly see his point. And remember, he doesn't live in wonderful liberal tolerant Massachussets, he lives in Texas where the cultural prejudice against homosexuality is still very much alive and well. Saying that being inwardly disappointed in the uncontrollable circumstance that will cause lifelong difficulties for his child without in any way being disappointed in the child itself is some sort of "hatred" is just ignorant and stupid.

[LMNO]

Yeah, so.  I went off the rails a bit.


But if you're trying to describe the feeling that you realize the world is going to take an extra big shit on your child for being who they are, then I can't help think that "disappointed" is the wrong word to be using.

Quite simply, it means you have negative feelings for who and what the child is, which (if I understand you correctly) is not what you're trying to say.  It's pointing the negative feelings in the wrong direction.

You should be disappointed in the world for taking a shit on your child, not disappointed of your child for getting shit on.

[Cramulus]

I can understand parents that want to see their genetic line carried through their grandkids. That's not so unusual, no?

I can understand being disappointed if your child is not going to breed.

I don't think that equates to homophobia...

Personally, I'm not interested in having kids. I can see why that would bum out my parents/grandparents and wouldn't assume they feel something negative towards me for it. (luckily, nobody in my family seems to care... hmm, maybe that's why I haven't caught the parent bug to begin with...)

[rong]

lmno, i think the word you are looking for is pity. 

[rong]

aha! moment: this is just another example of how imposing order (categorization) causes strife (persecution of those in certain categories).

discordia wins again.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I can totally see Ippy's point, but there's a flaw in it.

There is no reason - aside from archaic laws - that a Gay person cannot have offspring.