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Haditha interview documents found
« on: December 15, 2011, 02:44:02 pm »
Someone forgot to shred these during the withdrawal.  Oops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/world/middleeast/united-states-marines-haditha-interviews-found-in-iraq-junkyard.html?pagewanted=all

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One by one, the Marines sat down, swore to tell the truth and began to give secret interviews discussing one of the most horrific episodes of America’s time in Iraq: the 2005 massacre by Marines of Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha.

“I mean, whether it’s a result of our action or other action, you know, discovering 20 bodies, throats slit, 20 bodies, you know, beheaded, 20 bodies here, 20 bodies there,” Col. Thomas Cariker, a commander in Anbar Province at the time, said to investigators as he described the chaos of Iraq. At times, he said, deaths were caused by “grenade attacks on a checkpoint and, you know, collateral with civilians.”

The 400 pages of interrogations, once closely guarded as secrets of war, were supposed to have been destroyed as the last American troops prepare to leave Iraq. Instead, they were discovered along with reams of other classified documents, including military maps showing helicopter routes and radar capabilities, by a reporter for The New York Times at a junkyard outside Baghdad. An attendant was burning them as fuel to cook a dinner of smoked carp.

The documents — many marked secret — form part of the military’s own internal investigation, and confirm much of what happened at Haditha, a Euphrates River town where Marines killed 24 Iraqis, including a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair, women and children, some just toddlers.

Haditha became a defining moment of the war, helping cement an enduring Iraqi distrust of the United States and a resentment that not a single Marine was ever prosecuted. That is one of the main reasons that all American combat troops are leaving by the weekend.

But the accounts are just as striking for what they reveal about the extraordinary strains on the soldiers who were assigned here, their frustrations and their frequently painful encounters with a population they did not understand. In their own words, the report documents the dehumanizing nature of this war, where Marines came to view 20 dead civilians as not “remarkable,” but as routine.

Iraqi civilians were being killed all the time. Maj. Gen. Steve Johnson, the commander of American forces in Anbar Province, in his own testimony, described it as “a cost of doing business.”

The stress of combat left some soldiers paralyzed, the testimony shows. Troops, traumatized by the rising violence and feeling constantly under siege, grew increasingly twitchy, killing more and more civilians in accidental encounters. Others became so desensitized and inured to the killing that they fired on Iraqi civilians deliberately while their fellow soldiers snapped pictures, and were court-martialed. The bodies piled up at a time when the war had gone horribly wrong.

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Re: Haditha interview documents found
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2011, 03:27:43 pm »
motherfucker.



It pisses me off to know for a certainty that no one will ever answer for this barbarism. 

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Re: Haditha interview documents found
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 03:32:21 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 03:37:34 pm »
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Re: Haditha interview documents found
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 03:47:42 pm »
If War is Hell, urban combat is the Ninth Circle.

There is no getting around it's a nasty, throat-slitting, hostage-taking, hiding-among-civilians, assassination via treachery kind of a game.  Naturally, I approve, but its not exactly an environment conducive to rule of law, human rights, democracy or the Geneva Convention.

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Re: Haditha interview documents found
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 03:49:02 pm »
If War is Hell, urban combat is the Ninth Circle.

There is no getting around it's a nasty, throat-slitting, hostage-taking, hiding-among-civilians, assassination via treachery kind of a game.  Naturally, I approve, but its not exactly an environment conducive to rule of law, human rights, democracy or the Geneva Convention.

It's also a discipline issue.
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Re: Haditha interview documents found
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 03:54:46 pm »
That too.  Tends to break down after being in those kind of conditions for too long.  Hence the random attacks on Iraqi civilians etc...paranoia sets in, and the slightest action can be read the wrong way, leading to horrific consequences.

I got the impression, however, that before the Anbar Awakening, in Sunni areas, such breakdowns were tacitly approved of and even encouraged.  By both US military leaders and by the Shiite militias and politicians.

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Re: Haditha interview documents found
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 04:23:35 pm »
We should never have been there. That's the part that horrifies me the most.
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