Transsexuality, Discordianism, and Self-confidence

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

See, Zenpeanut, the difference between me and you is that we're both angry, but I'm angry at the real problem.

The problem isn't that they won't let you climb into the box you want to be in. The problem is that they want to jam everyone into boxes in the first place, and you're rushing into the handcuffs.

Also, I'm a chick and WTF, if I couldn't pee in the women's room I'd just use the men's, WTF is your problem. Also I swear like a sailor and I'm competitive as fuck. Have you seen me? I'm a dick.

You have some weird ideas about "feminine", but then everyone who buys into the fucking bullshit has weird ideas about gender.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think my sensitivity in this is coming from me constantly having to defend against mis-labeling. That dude on the bus gave me labels of male and gay. I can laugh that off because it doesn't really affect me and the guy acted ridiculously in doing so. I had to spend a month walking home to use the bathroom when I was at work because my HR manager as long as she possibly could before I could use the women's restroom. This is a bit harder to laugh off.

I am absolutely gobsmacked by this paragraph.

ETA:  Pull the other one, it has bells.

Garbo, this?  ^

Two words:

ATTENTION WHORE.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think my sensitivity in this is coming from me constantly having to defend against mis-labeling. That dude on the bus gave me labels of male and gay. I can laugh that off because it doesn't really affect me and the guy acted ridiculously in doing so. I had to spend a month walking home to use the bathroom when I was at work because my HR manager as long as she possibly could before I could use the women's restroom. This is a bit harder to laugh off.

I am absolutely gobsmacked by this paragraph.

ETA:  Pull the other one, it has bells.

Garbo, this?  ^

Two words:

ATTENTION WHORE.

I'm just stunned by the bathroom issue itself.

For real.

[Juana]

I think my sensitivity in this is coming from me constantly having to defend against mis-labeling. That dude on the bus gave me labels of male and gay. I can laugh that off because it doesn't really affect me and the guy acted ridiculously in doing so. I had to spend a month walking home to use the bathroom when I was at work because my HR manager as long as she possibly could before I could use the women's restroom. This is a bit harder to laugh off.

I am absolutely gobsmacked by this paragraph.

ETA:  Pull the other one, it has bells.

Garbo, this?  ^

Nope.

This:

I think my sensitivity in this is coming from me constantly having to defend against mis-labeling. That dude on the bus gave me labels of male and gay.

It's possible I'm continuing to fail at reading, as I'm still running on about two hours of sleep over the last two days. But hey.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think my sensitivity in this is coming from me constantly having to defend against mis-labeling. That dude on the bus gave me labels of male and gay. I can laugh that off because it doesn't really affect me and the guy acted ridiculously in doing so. I had to spend a month walking home to use the bathroom when I was at work because my HR manager as long as she possibly could before I could use the women's restroom. This is a bit harder to laugh off.

I am absolutely gobsmacked by this paragraph.

ETA:  Pull the other one, it has bells.

Garbo, this?  ^

Nope.

This:

I think my sensitivity in this is coming from me constantly having to defend against mis-labeling. That dude on the bus gave me labels of male and gay.

It's possible I'm continuing to fail at reading, as I'm still running on about two hours of sleep over the last two days. But hey.

Nothing like having some dude in the bathroom with you.   

But it's okay, it makes him feel better.

[Juana]

*shrug* ZP identifies as a woman. I view it with about as much concern as someone whose biologically female, but I'm kind of weird.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

*shrug* ZP identifies as a woman. I view it with about as much concern as someone whose biologically female, but I'm kind of weird.

Sure.  And so do I.

But that's us.  Apparently, the feelings of someone who doesn't feel precisely the same way - or hasn't come to completely to terms with it - don't stack up in the face of Zen Peanut's need to stick it to the man.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

*shrug* ZP identifies as a woman. I view it with about as much concern as someone whose biologically female, but I'm kind of weird.

Sure.  And so do I.

But that's us.  Apparently, the feelings of someone who doesn't feel precisely the same way - or hasn't come to completely to terms with it - don't stack up in the face of Zen Peanut's need to stick it to the man.

She needs to prove that she's DIFFERENT and SPECIAL and deserves SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.

Dude, you have a dick, just pee in the men's room. WTF is that? If you don't want anyone to see your willy, pee in a stall.

Oh, wait, I'm probably being "insensitive" now.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

*shrug* ZP identifies as a woman. I view it with about as much concern as someone whose biologically female, but I'm kind of weird.

Sure.  And so do I.

But that's us.  Apparently, the feelings of someone who doesn't feel precisely the same way - or hasn't come to completely to terms with it - don't stack up in the face of Zen Peanut's need to stick it to the man.

She needs to prove that she's DIFFERENT and SPECIAL and deserves SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.

Dude, you have a dick, just pee in the men's room. WTF is that? If you don't want anyone to see your willy, pee in a stall.

Oh, wait, I'm probably being "insensitive" now.

Given the rape stats in your thread, I am absolutely positive there is no chance that a woman at that workplace might feel nervous about having a person who is biologically male in the same room as her when she pulls her pants down.

Know what I mean?

Sensitivity has to go both fucking ways.

[Juana]

I must admit I hadn't thought about that part.

[BabylonHoruv]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about this sort of thing.   

[BabylonHoruv]

Okay, so now hormones. Again, you've got to weight benefit versus risk. The massive difference between hormones and SRS is that most aspects of hormones are completely reversible. The only ones that aren't are sterility and breast growth (which usually doesn't even begin to show up for at least 3 months). I could probably fill up an entire page with all the different effects hormones have, but I won't. What I will say is that the cool thing about hormones is that they make a fabulous assessment tool, though they also have a semi-long waiting period.

AND ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECTS!

Of course there are side effects, there are with any medication, but in the case of hormone therapy those side effects are sometimes more than worth it because the person taking them is no longer miserable.

Some people have a brain that responds in the wrong way to the hormones that their body produces, if this can be remedied by taking hormones, even if there are some side effects, that is a choice for the person potentially taking the hormones to make.

Once again, Babylon Horuv expects to be taken seriously about this sort of thing.   

Not sure what my fantasies have to do with the topic at hand.  I have a lot of trans friends, some use hormones some do not.  The ones that do use hormones are happier than they were before they started using hormones.

Me being a filthy pervert doesn't invalidate the fact that I think the gendered science kits, with perfumes for the girls, are fucking retarded and I wouldn't buy one for my daughter either.  Sexuality and Gender are two different things.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

*shrug* ZP identifies as a woman. I view it with about as much concern as someone whose biologically female, but I'm kind of weird.

Sure.  And so do I.

But that's us.  Apparently, the feelings of someone who doesn't feel precisely the same way - or hasn't come to completely to terms with it - don't stack up in the face of Zen Peanut's need to stick it to the man.

She needs to prove that she's DIFFERENT and SPECIAL and deserves SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.

Dude, you have a dick, just pee in the men's room. WTF is that? If you don't want anyone to see your willy, pee in a stall.

Oh, wait, I'm probably being "insensitive" now.

Given the rape stats in your thread, I am absolutely positive there is no chance that a woman at that workplace might feel nervous about having a person who is biologically male in the same room as her when she pulls her pants down.

Know what I mean?

Sensitivity has to go both fucking ways.

Yeah, no shit. But Zenpeanut's a special fucking butterfly to that doesn't apply to her. Her woes are UNIQUE and SPECIAL because she's so DIFFERENT.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Not sure what my fantasies have to do with the topic at hand. 

I was more thinking about your "empowered" prostitute friend, but yeah, the snuff porn thing means that I won't ever be taking you seriously, either.