Tough on immigration, tough on the causes of immigration

[Phox]

I am convinced that DP has never actually interacted with a 14 year old.

[Disco Pickle]

Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,

Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner.  Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.

So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.

Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.

Does a runner to another city and lies her way into working at a dance club, before shoplifting, getting caught, and lying her way into a deportation in a foreign country where she takes up with an older man, gets pregnant, and actively "lives" in a false identity.

Yeah, nothing at all points to parenting or it's lack having anything to do with the above behaviors.

Properly raised kids¹ never do any shit like that at all.








¹  White?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

the lol was about the Gawker article.

I can see now how that one, first "word" could very easily give the impression I was laughing about the entire situation.

I don't see how anything else I wrote gives the impression I was in any way amused.    Badly imitating a style I see used on this forum often.  Clearly not doinitrite.

Mocking, most definitely.  The story and the thread put me on edge.

Well, sure.  The State™ certainly can't be blamed.  They are perfect and never make any sort of monumental fuckups.

When the The State™ is grossly negligent, or even slightly negligent IMO, citizens most certainly must have the right to a trial.  I never even slightly hinted anything to the contrary. 

In this instance, given all of the information available to the people doing the job, this was exactly what was supposed to happen.

Well, sure.  Getting a physical description of the person she claimed to be before handing her over to Columbia would have been utterly unreasonable, given that there is no fast or easy way to transmit said information in this primitive day & age.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,

Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner.  Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.

So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.

Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.

Does a runner to another city and lies her way into working at a dance club, before shoplifting, getting caught, and lying her way into a deportation in a foreign country where she takes up with an older man, gets pregnant, and actively "lives" in a false identity.

Yeah, nothing at all points to parenting or it's lack having anything to do with the above behaviors.

Properly raised kids¹ never do any shit like that at all.








¹  White?

What did you expect?  Other than the fact that a divorce was mentioned, you have no idea what her upbringing was like.  None whatsoever.  Yet you have decided to pin the actions of a foolish child on her parents, with no basis to do so other than the child did those things, which is circular reasoning of the first water.

And given the nature of some of your drunken, abusive rants, I decided that *I* would make a few inferences of my own, with EXACTLY the same amount of evidence and reasoning that you yourself used.

One of those inferences being that you are basing your accusation of poor parenting on the fact that she is Black.  Do I have any evidence of this?  Yes.  The same exact level of evidence that led you to believe that parenting caused this, or that money was the motive of the parents.  Somehow.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That shoe pinches like a mad bastard when it's on the other foot, doesn't it, you judgemental jackass?

[Scribbly]

lol Gawker

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html

She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal. 

If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again. 

The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself. 

And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.

She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.

BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.

"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."

What a fucking cunt DP is.  I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.

I must have missed the part where she was raped in the 4 different articles I read about it.  She DID list her FB page as dating a guy in Columbia.  While I don't think it's been reported just who the father is, I'll go with Occam's Razor.  So, Statutory Rape.  Oh, but not in Columbia unless she was deceived into it.  Given her recent history with truth, I'm disinclined to think that was the case.

And how were they supposed to know she was 14?  Cut her open and count the rings?  She maintained a lie about her identity and claimed to be someone else, someone older, then changed her FB profile to reflect this persona.

Maybe a fingerprint run WOULD have stopped it but who can say.  I wasn't fingerprinted until I was an adult.  I can't say I know what common practice is these days.  Certainly someone could have attempted to find out if she actually spoke Spanish but even that wouldn't prove anything.

So, DP, is it your contention that deportation is a reasonable punishment for lying to the police?  Do you think the state should have that kind of power over an individual, for such an offence?

Of course not.  She wasn't deported for lying.  She was deported for assuming the false identity of a foreign national without ID, a visa or citizenship.  That will get you deported from nearly every country on the planet.  I'm an open borders guy myself, but this event didn't occur in a bubble of how I wish the world was, it happened in the world that currently is.

I know you don't like my politics but I'm a little surprised that you of all people would pull THAT out of what I said. 

What is wrong with you?

What the fuck is wrong with YOU?

Even ignoring the fact that Gawker wrote the article in a way that immediately makes you biased against the immigration system and garners sympathy for the idiot, had you done a bit more reading of the facts you might have come to a more thoughtful conclusion, not the knee-jerk one the article was written to illicit. 

Yes, she was in a detention facility, held there BY the Colombian government at the request of the US Embassy, acting on a request by Dallas PD and her Family to pick her up from the house where she was working.  Maybe living, that information isn't available.

This isn't even a case of "poor, innocent child got caught in the machine and the machine spit her out in a foreign country completely against her will and against all protest about her real identity"  She ACTIVELY sought to be this other person, she WANTED to go to Columbia and created her persona around this false identity of a 22 year old woman from Columbia, even changing her entire facebook profile to reflect this. 

At ANY point in the entire ordeal she could have said "Hey, I'm lying, I'm really an American named Jakadrien Turner, here's my address and phone number, could you please call my parents and tell them I am safe?"

Even when she arrived in the damn country she could have gone to the US Consulate and said the same thing and people would have HELPED her get home.

But clearly this is an indictment of ICE, who didn't do more to help someone who didn't want to be helped.  It's clearly the fault of the officials who, had they even an incling that she wasn't who she said she was but was really a 14 year old runaway, would have done everything in their power to return her to her family, instead did exactly what their job it is to do. 

She lied to them, told them she was someone else, someone with every requirement necessary to be deported back to your country of origin, and the situation came to it's logical conclusion based on the information they were given, and you're fucking SURPRISED?!

No, this is clearly a case of being brown in 'Merica, as Roger contends, forgetting entirely that had she claimed to be of any other nationality, and provided a name of a known person of that nationality, with no ID, no fingerprint record, no VISA, nothing to help anyone save her from her own fucking stupidity and lies, regardless of her skin color, she would have been deported to that country.

Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.

Clearly.

I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html

[Phox]

lol Gawker

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html

She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal. 

If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again. 

The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself. 

And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.

She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.

BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.

"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."

What a fucking cunt DP is.  I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.

I must have missed the part where she was raped in the 4 different articles I read about it.  She DID list her FB page as dating a guy in Columbia.  While I don't think it's been reported just who the father is, I'll go with Occam's Razor.  So, Statutory Rape.  Oh, but not in Columbia unless she was deceived into it.  Given her recent history with truth, I'm disinclined to think that was the case.

And how were they supposed to know she was 14?  Cut her open and count the rings?  She maintained a lie about her identity and claimed to be someone else, someone older, then changed her FB profile to reflect this persona.

Maybe a fingerprint run WOULD have stopped it but who can say.  I wasn't fingerprinted until I was an adult.  I can't say I know what common practice is these days.  Certainly someone could have attempted to find out if she actually spoke Spanish but even that wouldn't prove anything.

So, DP, is it your contention that deportation is a reasonable punishment for lying to the police?  Do you think the state should have that kind of power over an individual, for such an offence?

Of course not.  She wasn't deported for lying.  She was deported for assuming the false identity of a foreign national without ID, a visa or citizenship.  That will get you deported from nearly every country on the planet.  I'm an open borders guy myself, but this event didn't occur in a bubble of how I wish the world was, it happened in the world that currently is.

I know you don't like my politics but I'm a little surprised that you of all people would pull THAT out of what I said. 

What is wrong with you?

What the fuck is wrong with YOU?

Even ignoring the fact that Gawker wrote the article in a way that immediately makes you biased against the immigration system and garners sympathy for the idiot, had you done a bit more reading of the facts you might have come to a more thoughtful conclusion, not the knee-jerk one the article was written to illicit. 

Yes, she was in a detention facility, held there BY the Colombian government at the request of the US Embassy, acting on a request by Dallas PD and her Family to pick her up from the house where she was working.  Maybe living, that information isn't available.

This isn't even a case of "poor, innocent child got caught in the machine and the machine spit her out in a foreign country completely against her will and against all protest about her real identity"  She ACTIVELY sought to be this other person, she WANTED to go to Columbia and created her persona around this false identity of a 22 year old woman from Columbia, even changing her entire facebook profile to reflect this. 

At ANY point in the entire ordeal she could have said "Hey, I'm lying, I'm really an American named Jakadrien Turner, here's my address and phone number, could you please call my parents and tell them I am safe?"

Even when she arrived in the damn country she could have gone to the US Consulate and said the same thing and people would have HELPED her get home.

But clearly this is an indictment of ICE, who didn't do more to help someone who didn't want to be helped.  It's clearly the fault of the officials who, had they even an incling that she wasn't who she said she was but was really a 14 year old runaway, would have done everything in their power to return her to her family, instead did exactly what their job it is to do. 

She lied to them, told them she was someone else, someone with every requirement necessary to be deported back to your country of origin, and the situation came to it's logical conclusion based on the information they were given, and you're fucking SURPRISED?!

No, this is clearly a case of being brown in 'Merica, as Roger contends, forgetting entirely that had she claimed to be of any other nationality, and provided a name of a known person of that nationality, with no ID, no fingerprint record, no VISA, nothing to help anyone save her from her own fucking stupidity and lies, regardless of her skin color, she would have been deported to that country.

Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.

Clearly.

I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Why do we keep giving DP the credit that he's smart enough to actually hold a debate and stay consistent on his point and message? We really should have learned by now. 

[Disco Pickle]

I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html

Because people on this forum who post when they are intoxicated should be judged by the content of their posts from that moment forward, based entirely on that post.

I'm of the belief that things said when inebriated were thought out well before hand when sober.  That being said, yes there was some srs belief behind some of the things I wrote in the OP of that thread. 

I think that, based on my influences, books I've read, people I've talked to, etc., that the human civilization has a better chance of surviving in the long term (until Sol supernovas) if it thinks in a different way than you do.  That should be a comfort to you, knowing that there are people on the planet who do not completely agree with you on everything.  I know I am glad that there is an active group of humans who think differently than me.

I will never be right all of the time. 

Neither will you.

Neither will anyone else ever born, ever.

What you probably do not know, or care about at all, is that I have carefully read and considered every single point 3-000 took the time to write to me, calling me out on that impulse post I made, specifically the bell curve one, which I considered at the time to be a stupid troll for math geeks, but after having one actually call me out on it I realized I wasn't even close to thinking about it the way any mathematician would.

I stopped responding at that point.  I should have admitted I was wrong if I wanted to hope to be accepted by this discordian community as a biped.  I'm not sure I did at that moment, or that I do now. 

Roger:  I've a deadline tomorrow morning but I will come back to your last 2 posts.  They gave me a lot to think about.  I'm not sure either of us are being honest, but I'm sure that I should look at my own biases honestly, so there's that at least.

Night PD

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Because people on this forum who post when they are intoxicated should be judged by the content of their posts from that moment forward, based entirely on that post.

It's a matter of personal responsibility.  If you weren't hounded forever, you would have no incentive not to be a belligerent drunk.

Much as with parents who work 2 jobs each and therefore don't spend enough time with the kids they're trying to feed, there are no second chances in life.  They deserved it, right?  The kids especially, deserve everything they get.

And you, sir, deserve every ounce of shit you catch for making such a fucking sociopathic statement.

In vino veritas, they say, right?

[Phox]

Wait... what? I can't even follow you to a logical point. In that mass of words. 

So, you're complaining that people are judging based on your penchant to get stumbling drunk vomit stupid bullshit. (?)

Then you say that it was "thought out well beforehand when sober"?

And that you do, in fact, believe some of what you said in that thread (at least)?

And that if people believe in magical faeries, the power of quantumz, Ron Paul is Jesus, and utopia is being clubbed to death by your neighbor before he rapes your kids and jacks your car, then we'll all be fat and happy until the sun goes all splodey?

Blah blah blah....

Revisionist history, speculation, and further dancing around the point.

Oh, "ROGER!  I WILL GET TO YOU LATER!"

Overall, I give it 6.5 out of 10 in terms of DP LULZ. Solid effort, but not nearly the DP we've come to know and laugh at in terms of back-pedaling, wingery, and

[Disco Pickle]

Wait... what? I can't even follow you to a logical point. In that mass of words. 

So, you're complaining that people are judging based on your penchant to get stumbling drunk vomit stupid bullshit. (?)

Then you say that it was "thought out well beforehand when sober"?

And that you do, in fact, believe some of what you said in that thread (at least)?

And that if people believe in magical faeries, the power of quantumz, Ron Paul is Jesus, and utopia is being clubbed to death by your neighbor before he rapes your kids and jacks your car, then we'll all be fat and happy until the sun goes all splodey?

Blah blah blah....

Revisionist history, speculation, and further dancing around the point.

Oh, "ROGER!  I WILL GET TO YOU LATER!"

Overall, I give it 6.5 out of 10 in terms of DP LULZ. Solid effort, but not nearly the DP we've come to know and laugh at in terms of back-pedaling, wingery, and

I didn't complain about anything at all.  I did point out that posting ideas that run against the grain, while drunk and less than articulate, possibly even, in hindsight, stupid, is considered by DSquid to be a reason to dismiss all future posts.

In fact, ITP, I was clearly talking to DSquid and am not sure why you feel the need to inject your inane presumptions about someone with which you've never even had a proper conversation, except to call them dumbasses on an internet forum because they don't believe the things you do or *GASP* wrote something with which you do not agree.

TBH, Phox, I stopped giving a shit about your opinion on anything you had to say when you stopped offering opposite, yet civil, discourse on any subject.

Yes, I have a tendency to be a dick, when I've been drinking, on a forum where ideas that do not follow a (lol) bell curve normal are not only shot down, but called "wrong" as if there's only one way to think. 

The difference is that you do it when you're sober. 

ETA: presumably.  Please, correct me if that's wrong.

[Phox]

Wait... what? I can't even follow you to a logical point. In that mass of words. 

So, you're complaining that people are judging based on your penchant to get stumbling drunk vomit stupid bullshit. (?)

Then you say that it was "thought out well beforehand when sober"?

And that you do, in fact, believe some of what you said in that thread (at least)?

And that if people believe in magical faeries, the power of quantumz, Ron Paul is Jesus, and utopia is being clubbed to death by your neighbor before he rapes your kids and jacks your car, then we'll all be fat and happy until the sun goes all splodey?

Blah blah blah....

Revisionist history, speculation, and further dancing around the point.

Oh, "ROGER!  I WILL GET TO YOU LATER!"

Overall, I give it 6.5 out of 10 in terms of DP LULZ. Solid effort, but not nearly the DP we've come to know and laugh at in terms of back-pedaling, wingery, and

I didn't complain about anything at all.  I did point out that posting ideas that run against the grain, while drunk and less than articulate, possibly even, in hindsight, stupid, is considered by DSquid to be a reason to dismiss all future posts.

In fact, ITP, I was clearly talking to DSquid and am not sure why you feel the need to inject your inane presumptions about someone with which you've never even had a proper conversation, except to call them dumbasses on an internet forum because they don't believe the things you do or *GASP* wrote something with which you do not agree.

TBH, Phox, I stopped giving a shit about your opinion on anything else you had to say when you stopped offering opposite, yet civil, discourse on any subject, while presumably completely sober, I've ever had the misfortune of reading.

Yes, I have a tendency to be a dick, when I've been drinking, on a forum where ideas that do not follow a (lol) bell curve normal are not only shot down, but called "wrong" as if there's only one way to think. 

The difference is that you do it when you're sober. 

ETA: presumably.  Please, correct me if that's wrong.

Because I love you, Pickles.

I love that you think this was anything remotely like a private conversation.

And I believe that you blatantly ignored the question marks, which indicate that I was asking you if my interpretations were correct.

So what, precisely were you trying to say, Pickles?

But in regards to my civility, i stopped actually trying to debate with you oh... around round 2 of your. "I'll take your points into consideration. I learn from my mistakes." and "Let me read up on that and get back to you." BTW, ever finish reading The Leviathan? 

You see, Pickles. You've proven that your intellectual integrity is less important to you than "winning". Me, personally, I don't care about being a dick. Why? Because the only people who think I'm a dick are people, like yourself, who can't be bothered with actually formulating a coherent argument on a topic.

But as you pointed out, I'm stone cold sober. And I'm being a dick. And I fully own that. It takes a small, small person to hide behind alcohol, Pickles. You've blamed the booze and a million other lame ass excuses, and expect people to take you seriously. But the truth is, you won't own up to own actions. And you've been making the same damn mistakes since you got here, all the while claiming that you were learning, and that you'd read up and come back, only to duck out and dodge the topic. Face it, DP. You're just a coward. You don't deserve a respectful discussion. You don't deserve a serious response. I even had one all typed out for you, a nice little rebuttal to one of your comments in this thread, but then I decided "meh fuck it." So I deleted it. That's how dickish I was.

So, Pickles. By all means, get righteously indignant. Get smashed and call me every name in the book. Belittle me, taunt me, say "I ain't talking to you, fucker". Do whatever you gotta do to feel good about yourself. Me, I'll still be laughing.

Ya know, funny thing. I used to think that I was laughing with you. I guess you were never laughing with me though. That's a pity.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

lol Gawker

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html

She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal. 

If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again. 

The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself. 

And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.

Wow, you are a disgusting monster.

Please tell me that you aren't going to reproduce, or ever have any contact with children.

Since apparently you think deportation, imprisonment, and rape are all reasonable punishments for a child, for lying.

[Disco Pickle]

Because I love you, Pickles.

I love that you think this was anything remotely like a private conversation.

And I believe that you blatantly ignored the question marks, which indicate that I was asking you if my interpretations were correct.

So what, precisely were you trying to say, Pickles?

But in regards to my civility, i stopped actually trying to debate with you oh... around round 2 of your. "I'll take your points into consideration. I learn from my mistakes." and "Let me read up on that and get back to you." BTW, ever finish reading The Leviathan? 

You see, Pickles. You've proven that your intellectual integrity is less important to you than "winning". Me, personally, I don't care about being a dick. Why? Because the only people who think I'm a dick are people, like yourself, who can't be bothered with actually formulating a coherent argument on a topic.

But as you pointed out, I'm stone cold sober. And I'm being a dick. And I fully own that. It takes a small, small person to hide behind alcohol, Pickles. You've blamed the booze and a million other lame ass excuses, and expect people to take you seriously. But the truth is, you won't own up to own actions. And you've been making the same damn mistakes since you got here, all the while claiming that you were learning, and that you'd read up and come back, only to duck out and dodge the topic. Face it, DP. You're just a coward. You don't deserve a respectful discussion. You don't deserve a serious response. I even had one all typed out for you, a nice little rebuttal to one of your comments in this thread, but then I decided "meh fuck it." So I deleted it. That's how dickish I was.

So, Pickles. By all means, get righteously indignant. Get smashed and call me every name in the book. Belittle me, taunt me, say "I ain't talking to you, fucker". Do whatever you gotta do to feel good about yourself. Me, I'll still be laughing.

Ya know, funny thing. I used to think that I was laughing with you. I guess you were never laughing with me though. That's a pity.

I actually did get most of the way through Leviathan that same week.  Or maybe it was 2 weeks.  It wasn't exactly a page turner as far as books on statecraft go.  I was turned off by the extremely Christian tone of the book. 

That, and the extremely Statist position I'd have to take to agree with him.  You didn't strike me as a statist even after reading it. 

We never did discuss it in a thread.  I think I made some lame joke about being a Hobbsian now, but still preferring Calvinism.

And I haven't posted here after drinking since that post DSquid referenced as some sort of "proof" of...  I don't know what.  I never hid behind it as an excuse, either.  It was a statement of fact that when I posted here after having a few, it was over the top and designed to elicit a visceral response.  And I was never nice about it.  This isn't a very nice place, it's not like I was breaking new ground.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/07/us/texas-colombia-teen-profile/?hpt=hp_mid

Most up to date report I could find. DP's assessment of the Gawker report was pretty right on. Obviously editorialized out the ass. The facts they had incorrect, though, were consistent with what was believed to be known when that report was issued. Al Jazeera reported that the "Tika" alias matched a person wanted in Colombia even after it had broken in the U.S. that that was incorrect.

It seems that there were obviously some breakdowns in the system, starting all the way back at the Houston PD and carrying over to ICE and, it would seem, very much so at the Colombian Consulate. Although if the report from the woman who helped track her down is accurate, she had been in contact with a couple of Colombian men months before she was arrested and deported, so it's quite possible she was coached all the way through this. One of her FB posts even alluded to her having been deported intentionally. Regardless, the fact that even with coaching, a 14-year-old U.S. girl could pass as a 21-year-old Colombian national despite there being no record of any such person, is a pretty glaring indictment against that system.

Of course, ICE isn't really set up to safeguard against U.S. citizens trying to get deported. I'm sure that it will be now, though. A huge breakdown was in Texas law enforcement. The girl was reported as a runaway months before this happened and was able to be arrested and pass through that system without a second glance. There has to be more that can be done than a fingerprint check, I would think.

What has my attention as much as anything, though. Is the news coverage itself. I'm first in on international internet predators being the "next threat to America's children". Also, the drastic difference between the facts as they were known just 5 days ago and what is now known is a perfect example of the blogosphere truth-fucking, that's only going to get worse. Bounced around 3 different blogs updated within the last 2 days and each of them had a completely different set of facts. The fourth estate seems to be a 10,000 lot trailer park where news gathering occurs at the neighbor's kitchen table, over nasty cups of coffee in Edward R. Murrow commemorative mugs.