I never thought I would say this...

[Phox]

That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.

Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

My bad; it came across as really condescending to me. Maybe it didn't to him.

The monkey chest-pounding thing largely refers to the way you can't seem to not respond to even really awful trolls... telling off a bad troll isn't really "winning". It's just giving them more reason to keep posting. I'm not saying you're doing it wrong, and we all get sucked into exchanges with trolls sometimes, it's just that man, it's almost a guarantee who will respond to DECI4 posts and it's starting to make me cringe.

As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's almost like you can set your clock to it.

[East Coast Hustle]

That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.

Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.

[East Coast Hustle]

Coyote had a long post in which he explained his position and then decided fuck it. holist is a screeching monkey, and so are a few of the other posters  in that thread. And this is why Coyote said fuck it, noob not worth it.

What about the guy who reads a dozen or so posts from a new person and decides to summarily dismiss them without explaining his position?

Is he a screeching monkey?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

Phox, ya know I love ya, so please don't take this as a pile-on, but indulging in DECI4-ism is like watching teevee or playing an addictive video game.  It might FEEL good, but it's false slack.  It's sort of like having sex with republicans...You may as well just masturbate.

Also, in your polemics to new people (which I in principle approve of), perhaps more weirdness and less hazing.  But that's just a suggestion.

[Don Coyote]

Coyote had a long post in which he explained his position and then decided fuck it. holist is a screeching monkey, and so are a few of the other posters  in that thread. And this is why Coyote said fuck it, noob not worth it.

What about the guy who reads a dozen or so posts from a new person and decides to summarily dismiss them without explaining his position?

Is he a screeching monkey?

Point taken.

[Phox]

That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.

Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.

If you view it as "condescending chest-beating", that's fine. I intended it to be a throw-away joke, and that seems to be how it was received by Holist, so I will continue with my conversation with holist  because I have taken a liking to him.

[Phox]

As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

Phox, ya know I love ya, so please don't take this as a pile-on, but indulging in DECI4-ism is like watching teevee or playing an addictive video game.  It might FEEL good, but it's false slack.  It's sort of like having sex with republicans...You may as well just masturbate.

Also, in your polemics to new people (which I in principle approve of), perhaps more weirdness and less hazing.  But that's just a suggestion.

Good point, Roger. I will keep that in mind.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

Phox, ya know I love ya, so please don't take this as a pile-on, but indulging in DECI4-ism is like watching teevee or playing an addictive video game.  It might FEEL good, but it's false slack.  It's sort of like having sex with republicans...You may as well just masturbate.

Also, in your polemics to new people (which I in principle approve of), perhaps more weirdness and less hazing.  But that's just a suggestion.

Good point, Roger. I will keep that in mind.

"The toad may stand in the rain day and night, but its skin will never be smooth."
- Malay proverb

"But after I lick that toad day and night, it'll sure as hell look smooth to me."
- arcvsdlbvsg sdhfdu PILLZ HERE asdfh

[EK WAFFLR]

TGRR: I appreciate the sentiment, but I think I might be a "special" (shortbus variety, maybe, but still) case, as I found myself right at home from the very beginning.

[East Coast Hustle]

That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.

Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.

If you view it as "condescending chest-beating", that's fine. I intended it to be a throw-away joke, and that seems to be how it was received by Holist, so I will continue with my conversation with holist  because I have taken a liking to him.

Yeah, I thought about it more and decided that your literary dressings-down are actually a pretty reasonable way of separating the wheat from the chaff, if not overdone.

I think it's mostly just that I wish you would come up with a better go-to insult than "fucktard". IMO it lessens the impact of the whole "friendly warning/advice couched in academic terms" schtick.

[Phox]

That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.

Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.

If you view it as "condescending chest-beating", that's fine. I intended it to be a throw-away joke, and that seems to be how it was received by Holist, so I will continue with my conversation with holist  because I have taken a liking to him.

Yeah, I thought about it more and decided that your literary dressings-down are actually a pretty reasonable way of separating the wheat from the chaff, if not overdone.

I think it's mostly just that I wish you would come up with a better go-to insult than "fucktard". IMO it lessens the impact of the whole "friendly warning/advice couched in academic terms" schtick.

You've got a valid point there. I'll try to find something that better fits the tone for the next one.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Waffle iron- ive seen plenty of noobs come in with no problem at all. Myself included.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Phox, I want to tell you how much I appreciate that you didn't go all screechy or personal on me over being critical of something you do. I'm super-grateful that you realize that it's not because I don't like you personally, because I do. I really like what you contribute to the board overall.

[Phox]

Phox, I want to tell you how much I appreciate that you didn't go all screechy or personal on me over being critical of something you do. I'm super-grateful that you realize that it's not because I don't like you personally, because I do. I really like what you contribute to the board overall.

Don't worry about it, Nigel. While we may not necessarily agree 100% on this issue, I can fully appreciate where you're coming from with your criticisms, especially considering that I've done more than my share of n00b-dickery and troll feeding. It's a known and noted behavior of mine, and I've got no qualms with owning it. And yeah, totally primate behavior, and I've been trying to work on it.

And thanks.