Principia Discordia > Aneristic Illusions
Scottish Independence
Bebek Sincap Ratatosk:
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--- Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 11, 2012, 09:20:45 am ---I have to admit, I find the idea of Scottish (and Welsh) independence a little bit silly.
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Fe godwn ni eto!
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*flashbacks*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFDtLnsKps
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hahaha, love Garth Marenghi
Nephew Twiddleton:
I gotta say, I'm probably in favor of anything that further reduces the size of the vestiges of the British Empire. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, hell even Cornwall, I'm cool with all of those gaining independence. Don't even care if Northern Irish independence leads to unification. I would also argue against the idea that the Britain is too small of an island to have 3 separate countries on it. Ireland's a much smaller island and has two. Scotland and England separately are still larger than the Republic of Ireland both in area and population. Wales would be significantly smaller but it's not like the Isle of Man is a massive country with a huge population.
Or you know, there's also a long tradition of tiny European countries anyway and they seem to do fine.
Scribbly:
--- Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 11, 2012, 02:11:41 pm ---I gotta say, I'm probably in favor of anything that further reduces the size of the vestiges of the British Empire. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, hell even Cornwall, I'm cool with all of those gaining independence. Don't even care if Northern Irish independence leads to unification. I would also argue against the idea that the Britain is too small of an island to have 3 separate countries on it. Ireland's a much smaller island and has two. Scotland and England separately are still larger than the Republic of Ireland both in area and population. Wales would be significantly smaller but it's not like the Isle of Man is a massive country with a huge population.
Or you know, there's also a long tradition of tiny European countries anyway and they seem to do fine.
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You do understand of course that the 'Britain' in 'British empire' is England, Scotland and Wales, right?
This isn't exactly the same as Ireland, which is a unique case largely because it was conquered rather than absorbed peacefully. The unification of England, Scotland and Wales is the result of 300 years of shared history, which is being broken up by a largely manufactured nationalism... or more accurately, racism and entitlement.
I fail to understand how you can seriously think breaking up the country down to the level of 'cornwall' is in the best interests of anyone. There might be an argument for Scotland and Wales purely because in recent history they've been fucked by England, but they are likely to suffer a large setback in their respective qualities of life if they became independent. Cornwall would be unable to sustain itself. And the Isle of Man? Do you know anything about how that 'country' operates? Because it is essentially an appendage of the British state, just saying.
Scribbly:
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of the British State, but are you seriously arguing we should go to a county level breakdown? Do you have any idea what that would actually look like? The distribution of wealth and natural resources in this country is incredibly disproportionate.
How would that even work with our major institutions? They're already arguing about who is going to be left holding the bag with RBS and BOS, our national debt and national obligations, our military...
Nephew Twiddleton:
It's not just a matter of me being Irish and going haha. It's really just a matter of the people deciding their preferred government. If 70% of Cornish people end up favoring independence, hey, more power to them. I'm sure they would be able to find a way to make it work, otherwise they wouldn't seriously consider the option. And I wouldn't say that Scottish and Welsh nationalism is manufactured. Scots seem to be sufficiently different from English for them to feel a sense of nationalism. And Welsh people are a distinct species of cave gnome.
As far as any major institutions, I imagine that London and whatever capital city(ies) will be forced to negotiate that if and when the time comes. I imagine that London will end up bearing the brunt either way.
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