[Feel free to ignore] unlimited navkat rave/music thread

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Im a likeable guy from what i hear.

[navkat]

I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Thank you. This needed saying but I couldn't say it. When it gets to the point where repeating myself or expounding any more feels like I'm preaching or shoving my ideals up someone else's arsehole, I usually opt to remain silent and allow people to take what value they've already chosen from what I've said and shitcan the rest.

Sometimes, people argue that it's just a bunch of drugs and good times (it sorta is) that means nothing and then later, after something touches them or when no one else is around, they'll admit to some little bit of awesomeness.

Funny thing about the "ever-revolving, non-revolution" of dance/music/rebelion: it opens you up to a host of new and fantastical experiences both of closeness/sense of community with others and personal epiphanies/discoveries that you sometimes either can not or will not explain or admit because to do so either feels trite and cheapens it or makes you sound misguided and no one really understands/cares.

It made me a better person. You don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree. Just know that I genuinely believe this for a plethora of reasons you think are silly, but that I'm usually a pretty smart girl and I'm not talking bouts of hysteria with fractals and schrodinger's cat spiritualism so I'm probably not being 100% full of shit, either.

So if all you see is fun, awesome. I'm happy with that. Welcome to the party.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Thank you. This needed saying but I couldn't say it. When it gets to the point where repeating myself or expounding any more feels like I'm preaching or shoving my ideals up someone else's arsehole, I usually opt to remain silent and allow people to take what value they've already chosen from what I've said and shitcan the rest.

Sometimes, people argue that it's just a bunch of drugs and good times (it sorta is) that means nothing and then later, after something touches them or when no one else is around, they'll admit to some little bit of awesomeness.

Funny thing about the "ever-revolving, non-revolution" of dance/music/rebelion: it opens you up to a host of new and fantastical experiences both of closeness/sense of community with others and personal epiphanies/discoveries that you sometimes either can not or will not explain or admit because to do so either feels trite and cheapens it or makes you sound misguided and no one really understands/cares.

It made me a better person. You don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree. Just know that I genuinely believe this for a plethora of reasons you think are silly, but that I'm usually a pretty smart girl and I'm not talking bouts of hysteria with fractals and schrodinger's cat spiritualism so I'm probably not being 100% full of shit, either.

So if all you see is fun, awesome. I'm happy with that. Welcome to the party.

I can accept that it made YOU a better person much more readily than I can accept the idea that there's something all that special/unique/elite about a party scene that somehow inherently makes people better/more evolved/more conscious.

[DECI4]

I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Thank you. This needed saying but I couldn't say it. When it gets to the point where repeating myself or expounding any more feels like I'm preaching or shoving my ideals up someone else's arsehole, I usually opt to remain silent and allow people to take what value they've already chosen from what I've said and shitcan the rest.

Sometimes, people argue that it's just a bunch of drugs and good times (it sorta is) that means nothing and then later, after something touches them or when no one else is around, they'll admit to some little bit of awesomeness.

Funny thing about the "ever-revolving, non-revolution" of dance/music/rebelion: it opens you up to a host of new and fantastical experiences both of closeness/sense of community with others and personal epiphanies/discoveries that you sometimes either can not or will not explain or admit because to do so either feels trite and cheapens it or makes you sound misguided and no one really understands/cares.

It made me a better person. You don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree. Just know that I genuinely believe this for a plethora of reasons you think are silly, but that I'm usually a pretty smart girl and I'm not talking bouts of hysteria with fractals and schrodinger's cat spiritualism so I'm probably not being 100% full of shit, either.

So if all you see is fun, awesome. I'm happy with that. Welcome to the party.

I can accept that it made YOU a better person much more readily than I can accept the idea that there's something all that special/unique/elite about a party scene that somehow inherently makes people better/more evolved/more conscious.

This. There is a dark underbelly to the rave scene and has been for years.  The number of old school promoters actually trying to keep what once was alive have dwindled down to almost nothing. The experience is only what you make of it.

[Faust]

Not to mention the fact that there is no global rave scene, it is entirely subjective from locality to locality.
My subjective experience: It's full of wankers.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

[Phox]

People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

I think you've nailed it, Nigel. And I do think that it's possible that being part of a scene can better an individual and turn them into a revolutionary. That, however, is not necessarily reflective of the scene as a whole, and probably quite the opposite, in a majority of cases.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

I think you've nailed it, Nigel. And I do think that it's possible that being part of a scene can better an individual and turn them into a revolutionary. That, however, is not necessarily reflective of the scene as a whole, and probably quite the opposite, in a majority of cases.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at, pretty much.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

I had a very strong identity as a metalhead when I was younger. And the preppies and jocks were our enemies, and borderline retarded even though they all qualified for the same exam school that I and all of my metalhead friends also qualified for.

Now I'm just some dude who likes heavy metal and goes to heavy metal concerts. I don't even really play heavy metal all of the time. I consider my band to be sorta metal but closer to hard rock. Then I go and do crazy shit like play Irish folk music or say to myself, hey, I'll figure out how to do this synth thing. Oh, hey, how bout some mandolin? Yep.

And then you have those weird moments where one of the following happens.

You're in the car with your mom, and Stairway to Heaven comes on and you both reach for the volume knob.
You're in the car with your step-father and you're in the driver's seat and you have a Cradle of Filth CD in there, and he asks, "Who's this band, I love their drummer."
You realize that retarded song that your dad used to sing to himself is by that band that you ended up liking independently and your dad is cooler than you thought even though you are loath to admit it.

[Phox]

You realize that retarded song that your dad used to sing to himself is by that band that you ended up liking independently and your dad is cooler than you thought even though you are loath to admit it.

Actually, there's only one song in the history of ever that would make my dad cool: "Rock & Roll Clown".

That is all.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You realize that retarded song that your dad used to sing to himself is by that band that you ended up liking independently and your dad is cooler than you thought even though you are loath to admit it.

Actually, there's only one song in the history of ever that would make my dad cool: "Rock & Roll Clown".

That is all.

Ok, so I'm talking about finding out that both me and dad like the Doors since I always thought his favorite thing to listen to was ceili music and AM talk radio. But even though it's Twid-specific, I think the overall concept is applicable.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

When I was part of the Free Party/Rave scene I was all new agey bullshit and so were the majority of the other people I socialised with.  Crowds atmospheres depended on the dominant drug in circulation. LSD, mushrooms and MDMA made for a mostly good crowd. When cocaine became more dominant it got very cliquey and as I was never a coke user I was always kinda left out.  Add to that that coke makes people arrogant assholes to a certain degree, and the scene gets kinda odd. Ketamine had an odd vibe to it if a lot of people were on it. I once ran around a warehouse in Bracknell on some kind of hallucinogenic truffle muttering about "dirty donkey dust" every time I came across someone lunched out  in a K-Hole.

Another aspect that troubled me is that we all projected and internalised this "harmony with nature" ideology that was part and parcel with the scene. Yet the bass beats would frighten the animals such as deer into the roads and they would get hit by cars, and it didn't seem to bother anyone I knew.. I found that a little hypocritical.

Not to mention creepers who at 60+ were shagging barely legal girls cos they ran the sound systems and would give them free drugs and call themselves stupid names like Merlin. 

There were a few genuinely lovely people, tho, and as a lass I always felt physically safe in the environment. There were less guys playing grab-ass or starting fights than the average high street on a saturday night. There was always an element of looking out for your fellow partygoers with water, a spare ciggie paper, a free hug or ruffling someone's hair to make them rush. Mostly I feel now that the openness and connectedness was artificial and chemically induced, because a lot of the time it didn't carry through to long term friendships, or the paid club scene.

And drum and bass followed by dub at sunrise was my favourite time of the party, cos by then only the hardcore lovers of that type of tunes would be dancing and the eco-hippies would do their best to clean up after the rest of us, while the designated drivers slept it off and those barely hanging on would be just waiting to go home.

I guess I have mixed feelings about it. If i were to do it all again I would have avoided all the irritating psy-trance and new age bullshit tho.

Before I got into that whole scene I was purely a rock club girl. It expanded my taste in music, but I'm not entirely sure if that was purely the MDMA.  There is something pleasantly amusing to be the "rock chick" in amongst a bunch of "chavs" all dancing to Drum and Bass and no-one being weird with you cos your giving it the same energy to the same music. In any other environment I would have been scared and suspicious of those guys, and they would have been aggressive towards me.

[East Coast Hustle]

Not to mention the fact that there is no global rave scene, it is entirely subjective from locality to locality.
My subjective experience: It's full of wankers.

Yep. That was certainly the case in Seattle in the 90s.

And all those revolutionary raver kids have tech jobs in some Eastside corporate office park now. Except for the ones that ended up strung out and homeless.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Ive never done anything heavy. Obviously im fond of booze and occasionally weed. Did a bit of prescription stuff (valium and ritalin) but i never really saw the point. But i saw a friend rolling on e while i was drunk mind you and i thought to myself no dont want to do that it is a very unnatural looking happy...

Twid
gateway argunent is bollocks

[East Coast Hustle]

Personally, I never saw the point of E.

A dose of the real stuff (pure molly, none of those crappy press-tabs) used to go for about $25.

I could take a $5 hit of acid and do a little speed and get twice the (essentially same) high for less than half the price.