[Feel free to ignore] unlimited navkat rave/music thread

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Personally, I never saw the point of E.

A dose of the real stuff (pure molly, none of those crappy press-tabs) used to go for about $25.

I could take a $5 hit of acid and do a little speed and get twice the (essentially same) high for less than half the price.

I can pay about $18 for a thirty rack of shite beer and have a great time with a small group of friends.

Honestly I don't see the point either. You get one sort of buzz from booze and another from THC. What else do you need? I talked to a couple of people who have done coke and they said it's basically that you stay up all night and talk about shit. I can do that with too many beers. WHy do I need to do coke and erode my septum and maybe get arrested?

[East Coast Hustle]

See, if coke actually kept me up all night and made me gregarious I might like it. But it makes me cranky and sullen. And it turns EVERYONE into an asshole. What a stupid "party" drug.

Plus the part where every time you buy cocaine, you're doing your part to murder Mexican peasants. So it's stupid AND horribly immoral.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Personally, I never saw the point of E.

A dose of the real stuff (pure molly, none of those crappy press-tabs) used to go for about $25.

I could take a $5 hit of acid and do a little speed and get twice the (essentially same) high for less than half the price.

I always liked it; it was a very calm, lucid high.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

See, if coke actually kept me up all night and made me gregarious I might like it. But it makes me cranky and sullen. And it turns EVERYONE into an asshole. What a stupid "party" drug.

Plus the part where every time you buy cocaine, you're doing your part to murder Mexican peasants. So it's stupid AND horribly immoral.

I have done it twice, and the second time I thought "OH FUCK I hated this the first time, why the hell did I do it again?"

ick.

Plus, yeah, the murdering Mexican peasants thing.

[navkat]

I wonder if there's some common neural physiology thing that occurs among smart people that causes similar response to substances.

Specifically, I'm wondering what the selection bias is here on either a physiological and/or psychological level that causes a similar response to cocaine when it seems as though the rest of the world loves it. Is it a muted dopamine response? Or is it something else?

[DECI4]

I wonder if there's some common neural physiology thing that occurs among smart people that causes similar response to substances.

Specifically, I'm wondering what the selection bias is here on either a physiological and/or psychological level that causes a similar response to cocaine when it seems as though the rest of the world loves it. Is it a muted dopamine response? Or is it something else?

I love cocaine. Though I've seen two of my best friends throw their lives away abusing it, I'm one of the lucky few that seem to be able to use it and then put it away for months or years at a time without any problem.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Navkat- i think my take on is from a couple of different perspectives. Is it ready to be consumed after some organism created it without further processing (minus distillation)? For example booze weed shrooms and peyote buttons. What is its effect? How addictive is it? How is it administered? How long does the effect last? What are the health risks involved?

[East Coast Hustle]

I gotta say, I've always though the whole "I only do natural drugs" thing is crap.

Go find some bush weed and smoke it and you'll realize exactly how processed and human-fucked-with the stuff you usually smoke really is.

I wonder if there's some common neural physiology thing that occurs among smart people that causes similar response to substances.

Specifically, I'm wondering what the selection bias is here on either a physiological and/or psychological level that causes a similar response to cocaine when it seems as though the rest of the world loves it. Is it a muted dopamine response? Or is it something else?

I love cocaine. Though I've seen two of my best friends throw their lives away abusing it, I'm one of the lucky few that seem to be able to use it and then put it away for months or years at a time without any problem.

That's too bad. Maybe you should try harder. I suggest cooking up some freebase next time.

[East Coast Hustle]

Oh, and that stuff you snort in Seattle? That's barely cocaine at all. But hey, enjoy your Levamisol!

[East Coast Hustle]

And don't burden your conscience with the fact that you, as a consumer of cocaine, are directly responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. I mean, not only are they in another country but they're not even white, so it's not like you're killing REAL people, right?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You have a point ech. I had just woken up though and was thinking more along the lines of whatever possessed people to make meth?

[East Coast Hustle]

Short answer?

World War 2. It was originally given to soldiers to keep them alert.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Distilled alcohol is about as processed and natural as heroin.

[DECI4]

Oh, and that stuff you snort in Seattle? That's barely cocaine at all. But hey, enjoy your Levamisol!

As if the levimisol cut is confined to Seattle.  Also I find the subtle flavoring it imparts to be quite pleasant.