Run Portland

[Doktor Howl]

My hometown is, well, you know.

All your counterarguments are invalid.

Your hometown, IIRC, is a grey monolith of ancient textile mills and cannibal street urchins.

Well, there's that place too.

I was thinking of the other grey monolith filled with cannibal street urchins, the one that's also a cross between 1984, Bladerunner, V for Vendetta and Brazil, in Rupert Murdoch's acid flashback.

Wait.  Manchester or London?   

Because London is, for my money, the best fucking city on Earth.  Granted, I've only been there once, and I was drunk off my ass with my army buddies.  I know Liverpool better, but that's sort of like England's Tucson.

[Cain]

The latter is definitely London.

Oh, it's fun, don't get me wrong.  But, well, there is the cameras everywhere, which is a little creepy.  The seeping control freakery of the police ("monkey dance to prove you're not a terrorist.  Faster!").  The bizzarely hi-tech automated systems sitting right along side thousand year old buildings.  George Osborne skulking the streets of Westminster like a replicant.

And, of course, Boris.  Our beloved Mayor.



It's kind of like dystopia, set to the Benny Hill theme tune.  Which naturally makes it the best city ever.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

Well, I'm not looking to the Nugget's to be outpacing the Blazer's this season either...but that doesn't mean the shit-talk will be any less fun.

New Belgium is much more well known outside of FoCo, but O'Dell's and FCB beers are generally more highly regarded in town. Biere De Mars and Somersault are the only New Belgium beers that are even on my short list, and those are only seasonal. I'm going to miss 90 Schilling from O'Dell's, something awful. And I am absolutely loving Milk Stout from Left Hand down in Longmont. Might come across O'Dell's at the right store. Left Hand, I'll probably have to write off.

Performed in Ashland a few years back and actually had Sunshine and Fat Tire there. Definitely did not taste the same. I suspect I'll be drinking local wherever the hell I find myself. There's no beating freshness. The other lesson I took from drinking in Ashland, Des Moines, Southern California, etc... That myth about how elevation effects tolerance...not so much a myth. A fishbowl marg at 5-6000 ft, would drop me like a dirty turd. Doesn't even make me slur at sea level--though it does hurt just as much. Be curious to see how long till my tolerance acclimates.

Wow, this elitist pissing-contest mediocrity makes it feel just like I'm sitting in a bar in the suburbs.

Seriously, almost nobody here gives a flying fuck about the Blazers, and I don't even know what a "Nugget" is other than something stuck to Dok Howl's ass hair. I do, however, know that people who find the "my hometown is better than your hometown" game and the "I'm more cosmopolitan than you" game fun are, for the most part, pretentious, boring douches.

Only if they take it seriously. If they realize they're being idiots, that's a totally different story (at least for me). Acting like I don't still have a jock alive and well inside my head would just give that jock the power to act without oversight (i.e. being a pretentious boring douche--rioting because my favorite team wins/loses). Acknowledging that jock and letting him be the ass-clown he is safe with other ass-clowned jocks is fun for those who enjoy it. Kind of the same reason you said you troll--picking an opinion and defending to the death. Illuminating, and takes away it's power as well. But then I only troll in this way with people who aren't annoyed by it.

EDIT: I see far too many people who have some kind of political allegiance they treat with the same amount of rationality I approach my "THE DENVER NUGGETS ARE THE GREATEST BASKETBALL TEAM EVARRR!" Those people scare me. I see other individuals who keep that shit on the court where it belongs and hit me back with some "THE PORTLAND TRAIL-BLAZERS ARE THE LITE, THE TROOF AND THE WAY!!!" and then we take out our destructive tendencies on each other a-la the Three Stooges. Some play to win. Some play because that urge to throw a pie is too good to be bad (or vice-versa).

[East Coast Hustle]

Also, someone is being snobby because they're from DENVER?   

Denver is to America what Naperville, IL is to Chicago.

Denver thinks it's hot shit because it's nearest competitors are places like Cheyenne, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake City.

I've been to Denver.  It has almost as much culture as Cheyenne, and more assholes.

If you're not some empty-headed drunken prick in a sports bar, there is NOTHING to do.  Hell, Tucson has more fun, affordable shit than Denver does.

I've spent some time there as well. My most lasting impression of Denver is that it's nowhere near as cool as Englewood, which is the suburb to its immediate south. Never good when you're outdone by your own suburb.

[East Coast Hustle]

Well, I'm not looking to the Nugget's to be outpacing the Blazer's this season either...but that doesn't mean the shit-talk will be any less fun.

New Belgium is much more well known outside of FoCo, but O'Dell's and FCB beers are generally more highly regarded in town. Biere De Mars and Somersault are the only New Belgium beers that are even on my short list, and those are only seasonal. I'm going to miss 90 Schilling from O'Dell's, something awful. And I am absolutely loving Milk Stout from Left Hand down in Longmont. Might come across O'Dell's at the right store. Left Hand, I'll probably have to write off.

Performed in Ashland a few years back and actually had Sunshine and Fat Tire there. Definitely did not taste the same. I suspect I'll be drinking local wherever the hell I find myself. There's no beating freshness. The other lesson I took from drinking in Ashland, Des Moines, Southern California, etc... That myth about how elevation effects tolerance...not so much a myth. A fishbowl marg at 5-6000 ft, would drop me like a dirty turd. Doesn't even make me slur at sea level--though it does hurt just as much. Be curious to see how long till my tolerance acclimates.

Wow, this elitist pissing-contest mediocrity makes it feel just like I'm sitting in a bar in the suburbs.

Seriously, almost nobody here gives a flying fuck about the Blazers, and I don't even know what a "Nugget" is other than something stuck to Dok Howl's ass hair. I do, however, know that people who find the "my hometown is better than your hometown" game and the "I'm more cosmopolitan than you" game fun are, for the most part, pretentious, boring douches.

Only if they take it seriously. If they realize they're being idiots, that's a totally different story (at least for me). Acting like I don't still have a jock alive and well inside my head would just give that jock the power to act without oversight (i.e. being a pretentious boring douche). Acknowledging that jock and letting him be the ass-clown he is safe with other ass-clowned jocks is fun for those who enjoy it. Kind of the same reason you said you troll--picking an opinion and defending to the death. Illuminating, and takes away it's power as well.

I hear you. I'm much the same way when it comes to sports. I enjoy watching and playing sports, and I enjoy discussing sports, but they're two totally different enjoyments that are largely unrelated to each other.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, someone is being snobby because they're from DENVER?   

Denver is to America what Naperville, IL is to Chicago.

Denver thinks it's hot shit because it's nearest competitors are places like Cheyenne, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake City.

I've been to Denver.  It has almost as much culture as Cheyenne, and more assholes.

If you're not some empty-headed drunken prick in a sports bar, there is NOTHING to do.  Hell, Tucson has more fun, affordable shit than Denver does.

They have a nice bookstore there though. It's small, but really pleasant. I also had the best salad rolls I've ever tasted in my life at a Thai place in Denver.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The pissing-contest shit is only funny to me when it's ridiculously over the top and about things that don't make any sense.

I seriously wasn't trying to one-up about the microbrews, just saying you have nothing to worry about. There are breweries every few blocks, like espresso shops.

[East Coast Hustle]

It's worth noting that we're also the strip club capital of America, which in my mind goes hand-in-hand with being the beer capital of America.

[Doktor Howl]

It's worth noting that we're also the strip club capital of America, which in my mind goes hand-in-hand with being the beer capital of America.

Is that in absolute numbers of strip clubs, or in strip clubs per population?

Because Tucson has a shitload of strip clubs.  Mostly we pay the dancers (male/female) NOT to undress.

[Freeky]

Yeah.  Either they look like they're twelve, which ruins the whole thing for everyone or you can see VD scabs and meth sores.

[Doktor Howl]

EDIT: I see far too many people who have some kind of political allegiance they treat with the same amount of rationality I approach my "THE DENVER NUGGETS ARE THE GREATEST BASKETBALL TEAM EVARRR!"

Yeah.  Both are retarded, but at least your hobby doesn't ruin the country, I suppose.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah.  Either they look like they're twelve, which ruins the whole thing for everyone or you can see VD scabs and meth sores.

And they have that meth face, you know, where the top and bottom of their face fold together like a hide-a-bed.

[Freeky]

Yeah.  Either they look like they're twelve, which ruins the whole thing for everyone or you can see VD scabs and meth sores.

And they have that meth face, you know, where the top and bottom of their face fold together like a hide-a-bed.

Ah yes.  I don't know how I didn't remember that.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah.  Either they look like they're twelve, which ruins the whole thing for everyone or you can see VD scabs and meth sores.

And they have that meth face, you know, where the top and bottom of their face fold together like a hide-a-bed.

Ah yes.  I don't know how I didn't remember that.

When confronted with enough Tucson, the mind blanks it out to protect itself.

For example, Nigel probably doesn't remember the food riot when she was here, and Alty has apparently forgotten the naughty Santa guy with the gun and the exploding dildo.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

The pissing-contest shit is only funny to me when it's ridiculously over the top and about things that don't make any sense.

I seriously wasn't trying to one-up about the microbrews, just saying you have nothing to worry about. There are breweries every few blocks, like espresso shops.

Thought I was kind of going over the top when I referred to every place outside of New Belgium as "the rabble".

Seriously, New Belgium as a company is held in HUGE regard here. They are, by all accounts, an amazingly progressive business model. But their product isn't generally regarded as among the best Fort Collins, much less Colorado, has to offer. Their reputation as God's Gift to Beer is a point of much mirth amongst the locals. That was underlying my entire "Beer??? I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT BEER!!!"

...and as to culture--in this neck of the woods, we ain't too keen on that shit. You musta been thinkin a' them hippies up at that neuro-europa up there in the People's Republic of Boulder! We're kind enough to give you till sundown to find Diagonal Highway, but we ain't gonna let no culture disturb the peace round here! Once 5-points was gentrified in Denver, culture just became a word my fellow community-theatre participants began using because "fucking around", didn't win many endowments.

I hadn't really established my tongue-in-cheek affinity for Fort Collins, so I could see where it would be easy to take me seriously. With the exception of leaving my Son and most of the rest of my family here, there is NOTHING about this move that I'm not looking forward to. I'll probably start another thread on it because there's been a lot of bitter-sweet in "leaving home", but that's something I'd rather sort out in the rear-view.