Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

[Junkenstein]

You only get to stand your ground if you're armed.

He was in the wrong by not carrying a gun.


Clearly the solution is for armed goons to escort everyone, everywhere all the time to ensure no "accidents" happen.

[Bruno]

I think Zimmerman gave up his right to presumption of innocence (in social court, not in a legal sense) when he failed to grant Trayvon that same right. You can tell from the 911/whatever call that, for whatever reason, he had convinced himself that trayvon was some kind of culprit. I don't think it ever crossed his mind that it might just be some neighborhood kid.

He refused to give Trayvon the benefit of the doubt. I feel no obligation to grant him any.

[Left]

I think Zimmerman gave up his right to presumption of innocence (in social court, not in a legal sense) when he failed to grant Trayvon that same right.

That's a very smart way of putting it.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://aattp.org/watch-abcs-full-interview-of-juror-b29-hes-guilty-because-the-evidence-shows-hes-guilty-video/

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I really don't see the logic in that.  Plenty of subconsciously racist people aren't extreme about it at all; most of the people I know who are more extreme say they ARE racist and the stereotypes fit perfectly most times, thereby excusing them from being non-PC. 

"Pathologically extreme racism" sounds like it would be a full-on phobia. 

If my thoughts on this are wrong, I would lobe to hear a well-reasoned post that doesn't rely on an argument that they are inferior in some way.

"Black guy walking in the neighborhood" = "I'd better trail him with a gun" says "pathologically extreme" to me.

[Bu🤠ns]

http://resistviolence.com/connect/archives/87

Aaaaand it happened again.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Yep. As expected. 

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

That one's a little more complex, from the longer version: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/07/marigny_homeowner_booked_after.html

Kid was inside a fenced yard, not on a public walkway.

[Left]

That one's a little more complex, from the longer version: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/07/marigny_homeowner_booked_after.html

Kid was inside a fenced yard, not on a public walkway.

Neighbor apparently turned a video over to police from his cameras.  That vid apparently showed the teen in question hopping the fence, while the other teen stood across the street and watched.
Another neighbor said he saw the kid bicycling up and down at approximately 8 pm.
The shooting occurred at 144 am.



This was the "yard" the car was parked in...It's also New Orleans, and that is a baaaad town.

I believe this to be self-defense.

[The Johnny]

Is trespassing a legal justification for killing someone? I don't know the laws over there.

I mean, a warning shot would seem reasonable if the owner isn't in close range or inminent danger, but who knows the lighting conditions and all the context's details.

[Left]

Is trespassing a legal justification for killing someone? I don't know the laws over there.

I mean, a warning shot would seem reasonable if the owner isn't in close range or inminent danger, but who knows the lighting conditions and all the context's details.

Goes state by state. Louisiana, after dark, I believe so, you can use lethal force to defend life and property-the so-called "castle doctrine".
The kid had already climbed a locked fence to get where he was.

Too...notice how small the yard is?
Barely wide enough to accommodate the car, it's more of a fenced-off driveway.
Housing in lots of New Orleans is pretty tight together.  The old houses are wooden-walled, no insulation usually-prior to air conditioning you really wanted that airflow...
A warning shot could take out your neighbor, possibly through their house walls.

One of the reasons a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun is preferable for home defense, IMO...

The sound it makes when you rack in a shell can really make any would-be robbers re-evaluate their current lifestyle choices.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

Is trespassing a legal justification for killing someone? I don't know the laws over there.

I mean, a warning shot would seem reasonable if the owner isn't in close range or inminent danger, but who knows the lighting conditions and all the context's details.

It's definitely iffy, but this is really not "innocent kid walking down the street gets stalked and killed."

[Doktor Howl]

Is trespassing a legal justification for killing someone? I don't know the laws over there.

I mean, a warning shot would seem reasonable if the owner isn't in close range or inminent danger, but who knows the lighting conditions and all the context's details.

In Arizona, it seems to be based on the skin color of the people involved.

[Left]

Is trespassing a legal justification for killing someone? I don't know the laws over there.

I mean, a warning shot would seem reasonable if the owner isn't in close range or inminent danger, but who knows the lighting conditions and all the context's details.

In Arizona, it seems to be based on the skin color of the people involved.

Often, in practice, I think it does in a lot of places.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I'm guessing this one should depend on whether the kid was running away or not. The article says the dog started barking, generally burglars will take off when that happens. I can see assuming somebody is armed and/or psycho if the dog doesn't scare them off. But if the kid was running away anyway, there's no reason to shoot.