Telling the sky to fuck off.

[Freeky]

It makes me sad you are congratulating yourself for succeeding in an educational system that is so clearly stacked against you.  You can learn whatever you want for free.

I applaud your success. It is the system that makes me sad.

You can learn a great deal for free, but there are some things that actually do require access to skilled training and expensive facilities.

I agree that the educational system in the US is massively defective, but not for the reason you give.

Some people (such as myself) actually require the ritual of The Attending Of The Classes, because otherwise we won't do the work or the reading won't stick or whatever.  I mean, I could take all kinds of math classes online for free, and I know I won't get anything out of it because I need a human talking at me for an hour or three four days a week, with homework for the intervening times.

[rong]

I believe one hour of class is worth 8 hours of studying.

I also believe educational institutions are more interested in their own financial security than they are interested in any one persons success as a student.

It's normally a 1:2 ration, but I can believe that you might be special.

And to the latter, yes, but a school that has generally unsuccessful students is a school that will not long have financial security.

I detect more than a hint of sour grapes in your posts; I am assuming you failed out.

you assume incorrectly.  i partied like a rock star and worked 3 jobs while i did it.

graduated magna cum laude.  twice.

[hirley0]

Set 0 UAYEB (POISONED)
its been sort of a fun morning: musing over the Iran moves Tuesday? {never mind|
when i was in the 1st grade { i was given instructions | by the older kids } in the
one room fits all school house ? the Art & science of putting the TEACH out.
I was Very VERY good at doing this ACtuaLLy | in fact to good | instinctually
neadless to say no Athoritarian extorters ever gave me any reason to brag
about anything | Just the opposite | & of course the opposit applies too.
i hink my point is there are two lessons those taught be teachers
& those by other Students, I have always | since grade 1 } excepted the
ladder rejected the former. Anyway How big was your Loud School & Where? ha ha
Never Mind 3aM borde

I believe one hour of class is worth 8 hours of studying.

I also believe educational institutions are more interested in their own financial security than they are interested in any one persons success as a student.

It's normally a 1:2 ration, but I can believe that you might be special.

And to the latter, yes, but a school that has generally unsuccessful students is a school that will not long have financial security.

I detect more than a hint of sour grapes in your posts; I am assuming you failed out.

you assume incorrectly.  i partied like a rock star and worked 3 jobs while i did it.

graduated magna cum laude.  twice.

[AFK]

I believe one hour of class is worth 8 hours of studying.

I also believe educational institutions are more interested in their own financial security than they are interested in any one persons success as a student.

It really depends on the institution.  Smaller institutions, like the one I attended for my undergraduate degree, couldn't afford NOT to care.  But it was also small enough where the President was able to rub elbows with the students and know them personally.  Most every faculty member, staff member I knew at my college cared deeply about the success of their students.  That is, if the student cared.  For the students who came solely for the social aspect, if they weren't going to put effort in, I can't blame faculty for writing them off after a certain amount of attempts to draw them in.

I would wager even at your mega colleges, that while the top brass may be quite removed from the student body, the professors mostly will still have an investment in their students succeeding.  Teaching college classes would be especially thankless and soul-crushing if you treated it like a cold assembly line. 

But beyond all of that, from my perspective, the onus is really on the student.  The student needs to invest more than their parents' money or the government's subsidized loan money.  Learning is more than just showing up to class.  If an individual applies themselves and is there to seek and accumulate knowledge, there is no reason for them to fail, short of some legitimate learning disabilities. 

Education, like many things in life, is what you make of it. 

[Doktor Howl]

I believe one hour of class is worth 8 hours of studying.

I also believe educational institutions are more interested in their own financial security than they are interested in any one persons success as a student.

It's normally a 1:2 ration, but I can believe that you might be special.

And to the latter, yes, but a school that has generally unsuccessful students is a school that will not long have financial security.

I detect more than a hint of sour grapes in your posts; I am assuming you failed out.

you assume incorrectly.  i partied like a rock star and worked 3 jobs while i did it.

graduated magna cum laude.  twice.

NIGEL, AS PREDICTED!

YOU OWE ME 3 HIPSTERS!

[LMNO]

I think you meant to say, "Manga Cum".

And what you do on your own time is your own business.  Perv.

[Cain]

I worked four jobs.  Full-time.  And attended 72-hour long parties.  Which I planned.  While obtaining my double-PhD in theoretical physics and as a neurosurgeon.

And it was uphill both ways.

[rong]

You must be exhausted.

[LMNO]

Boy, are my arms tired!



???

[AFK]

That's because you didn't lift with your back.

Seriously, just because you're a Discordian doesn't mean you can ignore the importance of Ergonomics!!!!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I believe one hour of class is worth 8 hours of studying.

I also believe educational institutions are more interested in their own financial security than they are interested in any one persons success as a student.

It's normally a 1:2 ration, but I can believe that you might be special.

And to the latter, yes, but a school that has generally unsuccessful students is a school that will not long have financial security.

I detect more than a hint of sour grapes in your posts; I am assuming you failed out.

you assume incorrectly.  i partied like a rock star and worked 3 jobs while i did it.

graduated magna cum laude.  twice.

NIGEL, AS PREDICTED!

YOU OWE ME 3 HIPSTERS!

GODDAMN IT! IT'S NOT LIKE HIPSTERS GROW ON TREES, YOU KNOW!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The expense and dysfunctionality of the education system in this country is a cause for consternation, to be sure.

But that's not a reason to devalue educational institutions as a whole



It's precisely because good education is so valuable (both to the individual and the society they interact with) that the expense and dysfunctionality is a cause for concern.

It is something with benefits that far outweigh the cost, but it pays back its cost in ways that don't fit on a balance sheet, so it is crippled in the name of short-term gain.

Cainad, as always, with the voice of reason.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I believe one hour of class is worth 8 hours of studying.

I also believe educational institutions are more interested in their own financial security than they are interested in any one persons success as a student.

It's normally a 1:2 ration, but I can believe that you might be special.

And to the latter, yes, but a school that has generally unsuccessful students is a school that will not long have financial security.

I detect more than a hint of sour grapes in your posts; I am assuming you failed out.

you assume incorrectly.  i partied like a rock star and worked 3 jobs while i did it.

graduated magna cum laude.  twice.

Damn you, you just lost me a bet. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I worked four jobs.  Full-time.  And attended 72-hour long parties.  Which I planned.  While obtaining my double-PhD in theoretical physics and as a neurosurgeon.

And it was uphill both ways.