Oh, America.

[navkat]

Exactly. Do we really want to become a people who need to make it worse to call a spade a spade? Or were the networks hoping for another LA riot to fill those commercial time slots up with SCIENCE!?

[Disco Pickle]

The unedited version has been available since March 16, though. First audio.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html

I never got the impression from this that Zimmerman was doing anything but stalking the kid with intent to kill and get away with it, even if the dispatcher did ask what race he was.

And there couldn't be any other reason at all that he was following him other than to kill him and get away with it. 

No chance at all this was anything other than that. 

[navkat]

Dude, you're missing the point here. He followed the child despite being advised to leave him alone by police. He was in a state of frothed-up fannaticism and racist heroism. Due, most likely, t some rather ignorant and backwards racist attitudes, he got on his high horse, pursued cnfrontation with, drew a firearm and shot a child eating candy on his way home from playing football.

I have been firing weapons since I was 11.
Rule numero uno: assume the gun is always loaded.
Rule numero dos: never point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill dead.

Dude shot a child. Time for him so sack up and be responsible. If you can't take responsibilty for where your ammunition ends up, you have no business having any.

[Disco Pickle]

Oh dear god.

Also, in the racist thread, Gaggy is trying to explain that suddenly, all the evidence exonerates Zimmerman, since the defense "enhanced" the video.

One quote:

Zimmerman:  "He looks like he's up to no good.  He looks Black."  <--- No shit.

Gaggy should not give up his day job in a quest to become legal counsel. 

You may not be up to speed, but you're quoting the version of the call NBC edited to make people think he said that he was black without first being asked by the dispatcher what his race was.

If you care.

Sure.  And his race is "looks like he's up to no good/Black".

Sorry that this sort of thing seems to put you on the defensive.

The only thing that puts me on the defensive is that someone with your apparent level of objective analysis dismissing out of hand a major media company selectively editing a 911 call in order to shape a narrative. 

navcat rides the only motorcycle ITC. 

Here's the narrative NBC spoon fed the public:

"'This guy looks like he's up to no good ... he looks black,"

Open and shut case of a white guy thinking a black guy looked suspicious and was up to no good.  Right?

Here's what was really said:

"This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about"

The officer speaking to Zimmerman then asked, "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?"

To which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."

Humoring the possibility that there could ever be an impartial jury seated in Florida regarding this case, NBC poisoning the story out of the gate, and people (and on PD, specifically you Rog) having no problem with that, is a fucking problem and you are wrong for not having a problem with that. 

Your indifferent response to "new" information that conflicts with what you thought was absolute truth helped encourage me to come up with some new NBC slogans. 

NBC knows that sometimes the new world of a 24 hour news cycle can be daunting and intimidating, that the world can be full of grey areas that make it hard for you to form the right opinion based on facts.  There's a lot at stake if you don't.  There a lot of people counting on you to have the right view.  What will your family think? Your friends?  The people you talk to on the internet?  You can rest assured that NBC is committed to preserving your world view at any cost.  We promise to take those grey areas that make it hard for you to take the "correct" side and make them black and white issues.  NBC: reaffirming your world view so you don't have to.

We here at NBC know that in your busy day, you can't be bothered researching the facts behind every story.  That's why we're here to help shape the conclusion you were probably going to come to anyway. 

I've been kicking around a few more in my head.  Might make them a Rant post tomorrow.

[Disco Pickle]

Dude, you're missing the point here. He followed the child despite being advised to leave him alone by police. He was in a state of frothed-up fannaticism and racist heroism. Due, most likely, t some rather ignorant and backwards racist attitudes, he got on his high horse, pursued cnfrontation with, drew a firearm and shot a child eating candy on his way home from playing football.

I have been firing weapons since I was 11.
Rule numero uno: assume the gun is always loaded.
Rule numero dos: never point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill dead.

Dude shot a child. Time for him so sack up and be responsible. If you can't take responsibilty for where your ammunition ends up, you have no business having any.

You were clearly reading his mind the entire time. 

An unarmed child is dead, and that needs accounting for.

Posting what someone was thinking when they were patrolling their own neighborhood, attempting to prevent more breakins of people's houses', as fact, or even speculation...

well that is really all it is then..  speculation. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Nav, don't bother arguing with him. I think he's just drunk again, and being stupid and belligerent.

[Disco Pickle]

Nav, don't bother arguing with him. I think he's just drunk again, and being stupid and belligerent.

Incidentally, I'm not drunk, nor have I drank anything other than orange juice and water all day.

[Phox]

Nav, don't bother arguing with him. I think he's just drunk again, and being stupid and belligerent.

Incidentally, I'm not drunk, nor have I drank anything other than orange juice and water all day.

So, just stupid and belligerent then, eh? Okay. 

[Doktor Howl]

Dude, you're missing the point here. He followed the child despite being advised to leave him alone by police. He was in a state of frothed-up fannaticism and racist heroism. Due, most likely, t some rather ignorant and backwards racist attitudes, he got on his high horse, pursued cnfrontation with, drew a firearm and shot a child eating candy on his way home from playing football.

I have been firing weapons since I was 11.
Rule numero uno: assume the gun is always loaded.
Rule numero dos: never point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill dead.

Dude shot a child. Time for him so sack up and be responsible. If you can't take responsibilty for where your ammunition ends up, you have no business having any.

You were clearly reading his mind the entire time. 

An unarmed child is dead, and that needs accounting for.

Posting what someone was thinking when they were patrolling their own neighborhood, attempting to prevent more breakins of people's houses', as fact, or even speculation...

well that is really all it is then..  speculation.

What ISN'T speculation is that he followed the kid after the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he said he wouldn't.

What also isn't speculation is that there were no powder burns on the kid.  He wasn't shot in a scuffle.

[Disco Pickle]

Nav, don't bother arguing with him. I think he's just drunk again, and being stupid and belligerent.

Incidentally, I'm not drunk, nor have I drank anything other than orange juice and water all day.

So, just stupid and belligerent then, eh? Okay. 

It should have been clear from the content that I was upset that facts were deliberately ignored in order to affirm the narrative.  I've been belligerent about it all day in my head.  Only now did I take time to post about it. 

Guilty.

Calling me stupid and ignoring the content of the post is lazy. 

[Doktor Howl]

Dude, you're missing the point here. He followed the child despite being advised to leave him alone by police. He was in a state of frothed-up fannaticism and racist heroism. Due, most likely, t some rather ignorant and backwards racist attitudes, he got on his high horse, pursued cnfrontation with, drew a firearm and shot a child eating candy on his way home from playing football.

I have been firing weapons since I was 11.
Rule numero uno: assume the gun is always loaded.
Rule numero dos: never point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill dead.

Dude shot a child. Time for him so sack up and be responsible. If you can't take responsibilty for where your ammunition ends up, you have no business having any.

You were clearly reading his mind the entire time. 

An unarmed child is dead, and that needs accounting for.

Posting what someone was thinking when they were patrolling their own neighborhood, attempting to prevent more breakins of people's houses', as fact, or even speculation...

well that is really all it is then..  speculation.

What ISN'T speculation is that he followed the kid after the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he said he wouldn't.

What also isn't speculation is that there were no powder burns on the kid.  He wasn't shot in a scuffle.

SPEAKING OF IGNORING THE FACTS.

[Doktor Howl]

Okay, I think I understand DP's motives, here.

"Florida"

[Disco Pickle]

Dude, you're missing the point here. He followed the child despite being advised to leave him alone by police. He was in a state of frothed-up fannaticism and racist heroism. Due, most likely, t some rather ignorant and backwards racist attitudes, he got on his high horse, pursued cnfrontation with, drew a firearm and shot a child eating candy on his way home from playing football.

I have been firing weapons since I was 11.
Rule numero uno: assume the gun is always loaded.
Rule numero dos: never point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill dead.

Dude shot a child. Time for him so sack up and be responsible. If you can't take responsibilty for where your ammunition ends up, you have no business having any.

You were clearly reading his mind the entire time. 

An unarmed child is dead, and that needs accounting for.

Posting what someone was thinking when they were patrolling their own neighborhood, attempting to prevent more breakins of people's houses', as fact, or even speculation...

well that is really all it is then..  speculation.

What ISN'T speculation is that he followed the kid after the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he said he wouldn't.

What also isn't speculation is that there were no powder burns on the kid.  He wasn't shot in a scuffle.

SPEAKING OF IGNORING THE FACTS.

damn having to reload due to lord emote..

He shouldn't have pursued him.  This entire thing screams bad signal, ending in tragedy.  You're still ignoring NBC coloring the narrative though...

navcat's post saying he was "ordered" not to by the "police" is just some of the misinformation being passed around.

You apparently have facts about powder burns I haven't yet read.  Care to link me to your sauce? 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Nav, don't bother arguing with him. I think he's just drunk again, and being stupid and belligerent.

Incidentally, I'm not drunk, nor have I drank anything other than orange juice and water all day.

So, just stupid and belligerent then, eh? Okay. 

It should have been clear from the content that I was upset that facts were deliberately ignored in order to affirm the narrative.  I've been belligerent about it all day in my head.  Only now did I take time to post about it. 

Guilty.

Calling me stupid and ignoring the content of the post is lazy.

You've been angry all day because the media has inaccurately represented to the disfavor of the perpetrator some of the details of a case in which, unprovoked, a grown man followed and shot to death an innocent, unarmed child, and the police not only did not arrest and charge him, but lied in order to cover his crime.

I see.

[Freeky]

Guys, it's Disco Pickle.  That's really all there needs to be said.  You may as well get mad at the sun for rising.