An apology from Captain Utopia

[Placid Dingo]

Just to say, I'm with Trip in terms of sincerity. But CU did leave it to the Admins so meh.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Just to say, I'm with Trip in terms of sincerity. But CU did leave it to the Admins so meh.

I do think he wants to rejoin PD without drama. I'm just not convinced he's able to yet. I mean, yeah, it was a year ago, but he did hijack EBG for a really crazy reason. And it was a really crazy method. Even if I considered Dok a mortal enemy, I wouldn't have listened to him. It was just nuts. And anyone in their right mind would have known that was a bit too far. He crossed a line and initially got very frustrated with the fact that no one wanted to listen to a crazy dude with a vendetta, and then resigned himself to not being taken seriously. And I'm not exactly sure why we would take him seriously now (rhetorical). I mean, if you frame it in the terms of a relationship, crazy dude takes over your life for a day or two, smacks you around, and then a year later goes, "Sorry baby, I didn't mean to. I won't do it again. Can I eat you out?" Um. No. And if your friend were the female in question, you'd go, "Um. No. That doesn't make up for it. Don't respond to the call."

[Mangrove]

I was absent for all this drama and I've only skimmed parts of this thread. However, from what I did read, all I want to do is chant:

AIR LOCK! AIR LOCK! AIR LOCK! AIR LOCK!


I have no vested interest in this issue. It's just that 'air lock' is a catchy phrase.

(Sorry, I realize this isn't helping)

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Just to say, I'm with Trip in terms of sincerity. But CU did leave it to the Admins so meh.

I do think he wants to rejoin PD without drama. I'm just not convinced he's able to yet. I mean, yeah, it was a year ago, but he did hijack EBG for a really crazy reason. And it was a really crazy method. Even if I considered Dok a mortal enemy, I wouldn't have listened to him. It was just nuts. And anyone in their right mind would have known that was a bit too far. He crossed a line and initially got very frustrated with the fact that no one wanted to listen to a crazy dude with a vendetta, and then resigned himself to not being taken seriously. And I'm not exactly sure why we would take him seriously now (rhetorical). I mean, if you frame it in the terms of a relationship, crazy dude takes over your life for a day or two, smacks you around, and then a year later goes, "Sorry baby, I didn't mean to. I won't do it again. Can I eat you out?" Um. No. And if your friend were the female in question, you'd go, "Um. No. That doesn't make up for it. Don't respond to the call."

Twid has the correct motorcycle.

In fact, even though people still tend to be more protective of women (not being anti-feminist here, the fact is that we tend to have less muscle mass and upper-body strength, on the average) you could REVERSE the sexes and say that PD is the guy and CU is the psycho bitch who slashed his tires, piled his clothes on the porch and made a bonfire, ripped her shirt and said he tried to "rape" her, texts all the time and leaves creepy notes under his windshield wipers and STILL arrive at the same conclusion.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Just to say, I'm with Trip in terms of sincerity. But CU did leave it to the Admins so meh.

I do think he wants to rejoin PD without drama. I'm just not convinced he's able to yet. I mean, yeah, it was a year ago, but he did hijack EBG for a really crazy reason. And it was a really crazy method. Even if I considered Dok a mortal enemy, I wouldn't have listened to him. It was just nuts. And anyone in their right mind would have known that was a bit too far. He crossed a line and initially got very frustrated with the fact that no one wanted to listen to a crazy dude with a vendetta, and then resigned himself to not being taken seriously. And I'm not exactly sure why we would take him seriously now (rhetorical). I mean, if you frame it in the terms of a relationship, crazy dude takes over your life for a day or two, smacks you around, and then a year later goes, "Sorry baby, I didn't mean to. I won't do it again. Can I eat you out?" Um. No. And if your friend were the female in question, you'd go, "Um. No. That doesn't make up for it. Don't respond to the call."

Twid has the correct motorcycle.

In fact, even though people still tend to be more protective of women (not being anti-feminist here, the fact is that we tend to have less muscle mass and upper-body strength, on the average) you could REVERSE the sexes and say that PD is the guy and CU is the psycho bitch who slashed his tires, piled his clothes on the porch and made a bonfire, ripped her shirt and said he tried to "rape" her, texts all the time and leaves creepy notes under his windshield wipers and STILL arrive at the same conclusion.

That's probably even more accurate, actually.

[navkat]

Disagree. This is the internet, not a trusted relationship.

I don't really become involved in people's inter-personal drama on that level here and I do realize that it takes a lot to get banned from here (personal threats, abuse of privileges, etc) and I don't generally feel righteous about...well I don't feel righteous about anything. It's not my shit getting fucked with so I don't judge. However, he was a pretty cool guy on here at one time as I remember and I think his contributions and "atta boys" should outweigh his "oh shits."

Everyone fucks up. Everyone has their weaknesses and everyone needs some time to pull their head out of their asshole. Power-mongering turned out to be his. I am of the firm belief that we should be willing and at the ready with a bottle of lube, a shit-eating grin and a shoe begging to fill the new hole. None of us should be so jaded or full of ourselves that we're not willing to accept an apology. Beat the crap out of him and then buy him a pint.

But it's up yo y'all. That's just my tuppence.

[Triple Zero]

well if you put it that way ...

but right now anyone could convince me of anything remotely reasonable sounding.

[AFK]

I don't care if he comes back or not.  I really don't think it's a big deal either way.  I mean, this place does seem to crave the drama cycles at times, maybe having him back would be a good thing. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Disagree. This is the internet, not a trusted relationship.

I don't really become involved in people's inter-personal drama on that level here and I do realize that it takes a lot to get banned from here (personal threats, abuse of privileges, etc) and I don't generally feel righteous about...well I don't feel righteous about anything. It's not my shit getting fucked with so I don't judge. However, he was a pretty cool guy on here at one time as I remember and I think his contributions and "atta boys" should outweigh his "oh shits."

Everyone fucks up. Everyone has their weaknesses and everyone needs some time to pull their head out of their asshole. Power-mongering turned out to be his. I am of the firm belief that we should be willing and at the ready with a bottle of lube, a shit-eating grin and a shoe begging to fill the new hole. None of us should be so jaded or full of ourselves that we're not willing to accept an apology. Beat the crap out of him and then buy him a pint.

But it's up yo y'all. That's just my tuppence.

I would agree with you if it weren't for the fixation on and stalking/harassment of a specific member here. That member has expressed discomfort with him coming back for that reason, and as many of us have stated, that is a dealbreaker.

[Freeky]

 There's a big difference between sticking your head up your ass and creating drama and going Bayshit crazy and stalking someone. Nav, just because you don't think it is a big deal doesn't mean that nobody else does.

Or, what Nigel said.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, "this is the Internet" doesn't come close to describing a forum on which people have collaborated for years, communicated daily, formed close friendships, spent time together in person, and in some cases even live together.

[Freeky]

Once again, what Nigel said.

[AFK]

We should send him on some epic quest through the wilds of the Internet, and pending the outcomes of said quest, we could potentially welcome him back to the fold. 

Embed with some other internet society for, say, a year, become one with the culture, try to sneak in some Discordia, and note the results. 

In fact, CU, if you are reading this, you should go do that anyway. 

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

We should send him on some epic quest through the wilds of the Internet, and pending the outcomes of said quest, we could potentially welcome him back to the fold. 

Embed with some other internet society for, say, a year, become one with the culture, try to sneak in some Discordia, and note the results. 

In fact, CU, if you are reading this, you should go do that anyway go fuck yourself.

Also, what Nigel said. On all counts.

Shit on me once, shame on you, Shit on me twice, shame on me.

If it's ok to have CU come back and go all obsessive stalker on Dok, it's only fair to let everybody else's "fan club president" back in.

[Phox]

Well, I remember that incident pretty clearly, Nav, and I gotta say it wasn't "just the Internet". I received a few PMs at the beginning of CU's craziness and I wasn't really okay with some of the content of them.

However, I already personally forgave CU, and in a position as a regular member, I wouldn't mind him, but hey it seems, like the consensus from the people who have the say is "no", and I have no real reason to try to convince them otherwise.