DEA casually leave 24 y/o UCSD student in cell for 5 days to drink own urine

[AFK]

And again, my main point here isn't to contest there are issues in the DEA.  Certainly, this incident calls for thorough investigations and repercussions.  My only point is I think it is unfair to paint all DEA agents as evil, callous shitnecks.  Not without some pervasive and consistent proof that proves it is everyone.

[Cain]

61-66% of all people will electrocute someone to death if ordered to do so.

2/3rds of all people are callous, evil shitnecks.

[AFK]

Okay, well if we're going to go down the people=shit road, I would refer back to an earlier post on the prior page. 

But you can say that about anybody.  I could say that about any of you.  You all could be the nice people I think you are or a bunch of shit-necks.  However, I'm choosing to make whatever judgement I make based upon what I know of you. 

There are certainly crap-weasels in the DEA, hell, there are probably a lot of them.  All I'm saying is my experience tells me they aren't all crap-weasels. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

61-66% of all people will electrocute someone to death if ordered to do so.

2/3rds of all people are callous, evil shitnecks.

I don't see the Milgram effect as illustrating callous/evilness, it's more about dumb conditioning and deferment of critical thought when there's a "boss" present.

Callous and evil in the OP sense is more likely an enculturation effect, reinforced by Milgram principles.

The DEA are basically just dumb fucking monkeys behaving the same way as all the other dumb monkeys in the world behave. Difference being that a lot of people seem to assume that "authorities" should be above this kind of thing. No idea why anyone would think this but it's pretty obvious that most of them do.

[Triple Zero]

Most people tend to not find themselves in situations where this effect actually causes other people serious harm.


But if you professional line of work involves finding yourself in such situations regularly ... what does that say about apologetics for the 66%?

[navkat]

61-66% of all people will electrocute someone to death if ordered to do so.

2/3rds of all people are callous, evil shitnecks.

This is something I don't understand. There's just nothing reasonable embedded in the human code or in any animal survival instinct that makes this comprehensible to me. Why? Why kill that which you do not intend to eat without threat to life, liberty or access to resources simply in compliance with a random person?

The worst part of the experiment were the audible screams of agony. How could they carry on in light of that?

[East Coast Hustle]

Primates are hardwired for hierarchy.

Humans are wired to believe that someone wearing an OFFICIAL UNIFORM must be above them in the hierarchy.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's interesting that other studies have shown that if other people rebel against an unjust authority, there is a tipping point at which most participants will join the rebellion. This implies that it is an innate and unconscious fear of reprisal, rather than sadism, that motivates them to obey an order to do harm to other people.

[navkat]

Okay, fear of reprisal, I can grok. That's self-preservation.

[East Coast Hustle]

Okay, fear of reprisal, I can grok. That's self-preservation.

[Reginald Ret]

Okay, fear of reprisal, I can grok. That's self-preservation.

Hey! grok is a perfectly acceptable word! with a narrow definition of fully understanding. Just because you don't know what it feels like to grok does not in any way make it neccesary to hate grok grokkers.

Heinlein was as good a source of new words as any:

At least once every human being should have to run for his life, to teach him that milk does not come from the supermarket, that safety does not come from policemen, and that news is not something that happens to other people.

Can a man who says that be unworthy of doing with one word what Shakespeare did with hundreds of words?

[East Coast Hustle]

Heinlein was utter shit, and so is his stupid made-up word.

[hirley0]

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[Doktor Howl]

Heinlein was utter shit, and so is his stupid made-up word.

This.  And the story the word came from was lousy, even for him.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Heinlein was utter shit, and so is his stupid made-up word.

This.  And the story the word came from was lousy, even for him.

I liked it, but I was six at the time and I think that's a good excuse.