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Started by Q. G. Pennyworth, April 27, 2012, 06:09:09 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Desensitization is much on my mind these days. The line of work I want to go into requires knowing and seeing and being intimately familiar with a lot of things that affect me pretty heavily because I am not desensitized to them at all. In practical terms, this means that almost every time I attend a seminar, I cry. In public. It's awesome.

But eventually, I do need to be able to see, and even present, on things that move me deeply. That might mean that I become desensitized... or it might mean that I learn to present through the emotion, like one of the presenters did tonight. I think that many people who are deeply motivated to research certain things, like for example Dr. Louis Picker, do not become desensitized, but rather, transfer the intensity of the emotion that is provoked in them into dedication and drive for their research.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 07:13:38 AM
Desensitization is much on my mind these days. The line of work I want to go into requires knowing and seeing and being intimately familiar with a lot of things that affect me pretty heavily because I am not desensitized to them at all. In practical terms, this means that almost every time I attend a seminar, I cry. In public. It's awesome.

But eventually, I do need to be able to see, and even present, on things that move me deeply. That might mean that I become desensitized... or it might mean that I learn to present through the emotion, like one of the presenters did tonight. I think that many people who are deeply motivated to research certain things, like for example Dr. Louis Picker, do not become desensitized, but rather, transfer the intensity of the emotion that is provoked in them into dedication and drive for their research.

You can do both - desensitise or sublimate. Desensitisation can make you feel less human. If feeling human is important to you, I'd advise sublimation, otherwise  go desensitisation every time. It makes you a much more effective biped.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 04, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 07:13:38 AM
Desensitization is much on my mind these days. The line of work I want to go into requires knowing and seeing and being intimately familiar with a lot of things that affect me pretty heavily because I am not desensitized to them at all. In practical terms, this means that almost every time I attend a seminar, I cry. In public. It's awesome.

But eventually, I do need to be able to see, and even present, on things that move me deeply. That might mean that I become desensitized... or it might mean that I learn to present through the emotion, like one of the presenters did tonight. I think that many people who are deeply motivated to research certain things, like for example Dr. Louis Picker, do not become desensitized, but rather, transfer the intensity of the emotion that is provoked in them into dedication and drive for their research.

You can do both - desensitise or sublimate. Desensitisation can make you feel less human. If feeling human is important to you, I'd advise sublimation, otherwise  go desensitisation every time. It makes you a much more effective biped.

Redirection is neither sublimation nor desensitization. I choose redirection, because I want to actually do something productive with my energy, along the lines of being a more effective biped and feeling human.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I also wanted to add that you do not have to expose yourself to the bullshit sensationalism in the "news" in order to stay informed. That shit is designed to keep you traumatized and afraid.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
I also wanted to add that you do not have to expose yourself to the bullshit sensationalism in the "news" in order to stay informed. That shit is designed to keep you traumatized and afraid.

News is a wildlife documentary presented by the wildlife. Traumatized and afraid? No. Vaguely amused from time to time? Prefer a good blockbuster, tbh.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 04, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
I also wanted to add that you do not have to expose yourself to the bullshit sensationalism in the "news" in order to stay informed. That shit is designed to keep you traumatized and afraid.

News is a wildlife documentary presented by the wildlife. Traumatized and afraid? No. Vaguely amused from time to time? Prefer a good blockbuster, tbh.

Can you stop for five minutes with the "I'm a sociopath" schtick? It gets really tiresome, like listening to a goth kid or one of those mullet guys who thinks he's a ninja. It's also just not really an admirable quality, especially those those of us who do have compassion and are sensitive to suffering. I like you in general, so I'd really rather have fewer reminders that you hold in virtue a quality that I hold in contempt.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


P3nT4gR4m

It's nothing to do with being a sociopath, which I'm patently not. It's about being comfortable in my monkeysphere, loving the ones closest to me and being cool with anyone cool who crosses my path. I enjoy the company of bipeds and I try my utmost best to be a good biped right back at them, if they need my help, I'll go out of my way to give it them. It hurts to see them suffer but I have no time for assholes or people who I have no interaction with, beyond seeing their face in a crowd or on teevee. My brain (not mine specifically, the human one I'm talking about) is not wired to give a fuck about anyone outside my immediate tribe, I see no advantage in pretending otherwise.

Being sensitive to some picture of a starving punter in romania or a plane full of tourists crashing into a mountain is your choice and that's fine but it's your choice, not mine. You choose to get upset and depressed about these things and if you don't then you're weird. Among the majority perhaps but that doesn't make it any more of an approach to life I can get behind.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

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Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
I also wanted to add that you do not have to expose yourself to the bullshit sensationalism in the "news" in order to stay informed. That shit is designed to keep you traumatized and afraid.

I've banned myself from all the news threads for a while because of this.  I don't so much get afraid as I do heartsick and overwhelmed with hopeless, impotent rage.

Q. G. Pennyworth

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
I also wanted to add that you do not have to expose yourself to the bullshit sensationalism in the "news" in order to stay informed. That shit is designed to keep you traumatized and afraid.

I've banned myself from all the news threads for a while because of this.  I don't so much get afraid as I do heartsick and overwhelmed with hopeless, impotent rage.

Nice to know it's not a unique problem.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 04, 2012, 05:09:02 PM
It's nothing to do with being a sociopath, which I'm patently not. It's about being comfortable in my monkeysphere, loving the ones closest to me and being cool with anyone cool who crosses my path. I enjoy the company of bipeds and I try my utmost best to be a good biped right back at them, if they need my help, I'll go out of my way to give it them. It hurts to see them suffer but I have no time for assholes or people who I have no interaction with, beyond seeing their face in a crowd or on teevee. My brain (not mine specifically, the human one I'm talking about) is not wired to give a fuck about anyone outside my immediate tribe, I see no advantage in pretending otherwise.

Being sensitive to some picture of a starving punter in romania or a plane full of tourists crashing into a mountain is your choice and that's fine but it's your choice, not mine. You choose to get upset and depressed about these things and if you don't then you're weird. Among the majority perhaps but that doesn't make it any more of an approach to life I can get behind.

I choose to not turn off the feelings of being horrified by human injury and death, and to instead use that energy to work to ameliorate the conditions that lead to preventable injury and death by involuntary participants.

Hopefully you have a moment to be grateful instead of contemptuous to others who have done the same, because they're the people who gave you things like, say, vaccines, surgery, and preventative medicine.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
I choose to not turn off the feelings of being horrified by human injury and death, and to instead use that energy to work to ameliorate the conditions that lead to preventable injury and death by involuntary participants.

:awesome:

I feel the same way.
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a few years ago i just decided to stop watching/caring about local news, but still browse national news

i could distance myself from various unfortunate deaths, sadness, and stuff i consider stupid/inane, and still not seem like an aloof tard in the few social situations i experience (re: very few)

kinda backfired when the Virginia GOP decided that vaginas are related to Cthulhu and should be a regulated commodity, and everybody i knew wanted to talk about it.