The Invisible: Two rants about NZ healthcare.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, I am extremely dismayed about the use of hormones to force your body into one basket or another, regardless of whether you are comfortable with it being indeterminate. You haven't really expressed what you feel most comfortable with, here... what would you prefer? Particularly keeping in mind that approximately one out of one hundred people is naturally born biologically intersexed to some degree, so it ranks quite high in terms of being a natural variation.

[Don Coyote]

Also, I am extremely dismayed about the use of hormones to force your body into one basket or another, regardless of whether you are comfortable with it being indeterminate. You haven't really expressed what you feel most comfortable with, here... what would you prefer? Particularly keeping in mind that approximately one out of one hundred people is naturally born biologically intersexed to some degree, so it ranks quite high in terms of being a natural variation.

"I am terrified by anyone that does not fit within my narrowly defines binary view of human sex, sexuality and gender, therefore I will use my power as a medical practitioner to force you into something i can understand."

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

It could be worse. Usually they throw kids into a gender bucket surgically at birth (or at least they used to, I don't know if things have improved).

[AnarChloe]

Personally I think it's PAIS. If only because while I had very weak male puberty, I had some female pubertal development too. Namely my pelvic rotation and shape. And some breast development.

In terms of hormone use. I had to ask and beg and cry for the oestrogen I wanted. I actually had to use the argument that if I wanted to be a man I'd be asking for testosterone, given my boobs and hips. Since the doctors are really fucking determined to avoid talking about my body at all, even though it's kind of their job to help me look after it.

I don't really identify with the binary at all, I just like the curvy shapes and everything, plus they go with my girly personality better. So personally I identify as an "intersexed person" but most of the time I just say I'm a Chloe. Edit: Feminine or Gender-neutral pronouns, btw.

Or a dickgirl if I feel like being overly volatile and pissy.

And I'm well aware it could be worse, if these things had been noticed at puberty I would've been on testosterone for four years now.

And yes they still surgically alter infants to fit the binary.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It could be worse. Usually they throw kids into a gender bucket surgically at birth (or at least they used to, I don't know if things have improved).

In the US there is SOME effort now to be more careful about it. Not enough effort.

[AnarChloe]

I would say the opposite, surgeons and the like outright refuse to talk to people who've been "treated" by them for their intersex conditions.

They just pretend that whatever they did was a success and sweep it under the rug.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Personally I think it's PAIS. If only because while I had very weak male puberty, I had some female pubertal development too. Namely my pelvic rotation and shape. And some breast development.

In terms of hormone use. I had to ask and beg and cry for the oestrogen I wanted. I actually had to use the argument that if I wanted to be a man I'd be asking for testosterone, given my boobs and hips. Since the doctors are really fucking determined to avoid talking about my body at all, even though it's kind of their job to help me look after it.

I don't really identify with the binary at all, I just like the curvy shapes and everything, plus they go with my girly personality better. So personally I identify as an "intersexed person" but most of the time I just say I'm a Chloe. Edit: Feminine or Gender-neutral pronouns, btw.

Or a dickgirl if I feel like being overly volatile and pissy.

And I'm well aware it could be worse, if these things had been noticed at puberty I would've been on testosterone for four years now.

And yes they still surgically alter infants to fit the binary.

The Pennsylvania Association of Independent Schools?

So, I should probably caution you, I have pretty strong opinions on biology. And very strong sympathy and concern for intersex issues, but very limited sympathy for genderwhoring.

[AnarChloe]

Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

And duly noted.

Edit: Going back to my previous post it does sound a little genderwhorey... That wasn't really my intention. I was trying to communicate that I consider me being me and happy in that more important than the binary.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Western society's complete unwillingness to accept androgynes, and its efforts to force them into a binary sex-linked gender with surgery and hormones, is extremely stupid.

[AnarChloe]

Western society's complete unwillingness to accept androgynes, and its efforts to force them into a binary sex-linked gender with surgery and hormones, is extremely stupid.

THIS.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And yeah, I consider you being you and happy VASTLY more important than your participation in the binary, and I really hope that at some point in the future, at least, our society will create a place for people to live/express their lives in whatever way makes them most fulfilled without pushing body modification as the only real route to personal fulfillment.

[Freeky]

And yeah, I consider you being you and happy VASTLY more important than your participation in the binary, and I really hope that at some point in the future, at least, our society will create a place for people to live/express their lives in whatever way makes them most fulfilled without pushing body modification as the only real route to personal fulfillment.

Shit like that starts at home, I think.  Acceptance of saying "FUCK what people say about my/your/his/her/their gender.  As long as you are happy, that is what matters."

Just my (extremely uninformed) opinion.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And yeah, I consider you being you and happy VASTLY more important than your participation in the binary, and I really hope that at some point in the future, at least, our society will create a place for people to live/express their lives in whatever way makes them most fulfilled without pushing body modification as the only real route to personal fulfillment.

Shit like that starts at home, I think.  Acceptance of saying "FUCK what people say about my/your/his/her/their gender.  As long as you are happy, that is what matters."

Just my (extremely uninformed) opinion.

No, I agree with that, completely, except that getting it to start at home is societally vastly more complicated.

[Don Coyote]

And yeah, I consider you being you and happy VASTLY more important than your participation in the binary, and I really hope that at some point in the future, at least, our society will create a place for people to live/express their lives in whatever way makes them most fulfilled without pushing body modification as the only real route to personal fulfillment.

Shit like that starts at home, I think.  Acceptance of saying "FUCK what people say about my/your/his/her/their gender.  As long as you are happy, that is what matters."

Just my (extremely uninformed) opinion.

No, I agree with that, completely, except that getting it to start at home is societally vastly more complicated.

It's one of those weird "societal pressures will influence home environments which influence society" things.

[AnarChloe]

And yeah, I consider you being you and happy VASTLY more important than your participation in the binary, and I really hope that at some point in the future, at least, our society will create a place for people to live/express their lives in whatever way makes them most fulfilled without pushing body modification as the only real route to personal fulfillment.

Shit like that starts at home, I think.  Acceptance of saying "FUCK what people say about my/your/his/her/their gender.  As long as you are happy, that is what matters."

Just my (extremely uninformed) opinion.

No, I agree with that, completely, except that getting it to start at home is societally vastly more complicated.

It's one of those weird "societal pressures will influence home environments which influence society" things.

Inclined to agree here. Having an accepting and encouraging family is good, but not if the rest of society rails against the family. And having an accepting wider community but not the support of the family is just as bad.

And so on.