HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I LOVE THIS CENTURY!

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

It occurs to me that the fuckwit yahoos who insist on "abstinence only" might think it works, but the think tanks who engineer this social bullshit know damn well it doesn't.

The idea is for as many teenagers as possible to GET PREGNANT. That's where the money is.

I mean, it's not like they're going to be able to afford college or anything anyway. And we're gonna need more cannon fodder in about 18-20 years.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Oh stella. I miss the days when i would have just dismissed you as a paranoid kook. Those were innocent times.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Women with children mean either women married to men, or women who have to work harder to make it through. Teenage women with children, mean women that may not (strong maybe) go to college... NO MATTER WHAT they may have wanted before than.

Sounds like just the sort of thing you would want, if you believe God put women here to work in the kitchen and have teh babies.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Sounds like what youd want if you would want fewer people going to college. A teenage father maybe isnt going to college either. More people who are less educated. A nation of well behaved unquestioning robots.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Sounds like what youd want if you would want fewer people going to college. A teenage father maybe isnt going to college either. More people who are less educated. A nation of well behaved unquestioning robots.

And they're less likely to rebel if they have a family to support...

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Ugh... Throw a restrictive religious model on top of that as well.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.

As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Im looking more at religion as a tool of control. Religious people are more likely to be swayed by pandering to their religious ideals. How else would you get farmers to vote for someone who doesnt actually care about them? I could see more rural people voting democrat if the religious right and the gop werent married to each other. Once that happens you can convince them of other stuff like unions are bad.

[Suu]

[ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]

The Church's anti-women views actually did not pick up most of it's steam until the Renaissance, post-plague. You have a devastating event that shapes the way the world has to live, and suddenly, Jesus and babies are the answer, despite the influx of knowledge coming in from the broken Eastern Empire. (*sniff*)

So, no matter how smart the rest of the world is, if the foundations of society are shaken enough, God is the answer. Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.

[/ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]

Anyways, that's exactly what they're trying to do. Shake foundations, remove education, insert Jebus. Breed more subservient stupid. Rinse, repeat. By making things look worse than they really are, and placing the blame on others (ie. Inquisition) groups can once again exert power and gain wealth. You'll notice this pattern A LOT going back the past, oh, 5-6 centuries, unfortunately.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

[ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]

The Church's anti-women views actually did not pick up most of it's steam until the Renaissance, post-plague. You have a devastating event that shapes the way the world has to live, and suddenly, Jesus and babies are the answer, despite the influx of knowledge coming in from the broken Eastern Empire. (*sniff*)

So, no matter how smart the rest of the world is, if the foundations of society are shaken enough, God is the answer. Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.

[/ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]

Anyways, that's exactly what they're trying to do. Shake foundations, remove education, insert Jebus. Breed more subservient stupid. Rinse, repeat. By making things look worse than they really are, and placing the blame on others (ie. Inquisition) groups can once again exert power and gain wealth. You'll notice this pattern A LOT going back the past, oh, 5-6 centuries, unfortunately.

You get gauntlets... just like mittens but way older.

[Salty]

[ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]

The Church's anti-women views actually did not pick up most of it's steam until the Renaissance, post-plague. You have a devastating event that shapes the way the world has to live, and suddenly, Jesus and babies are the answer, despite the influx of knowledge coming in from the broken Eastern Empire. (*sniff*)

So, no matter how smart the rest of the world is, if the foundations of society are shaken enough, God is the answer. Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.

[/ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]

Anyways, that's exactly what they're trying to do. Shake foundations, remove education, insert Jebus. Breed more subservient stupid. Rinse, repeat. By making things look worse than they really are, and placing the blame on others (ie. Inquisition) groups can once again exert power and gain wealth. You'll notice this pattern A LOT going back the past, oh, 5-6 centuries, unfortunately.

ATTN SUU: ALWAYS TO BE SHARING BORING FACTS LIKE THIS PLZ.

Seriously, that shit is always extremely interesting. More is more.

[Suu]

It's kinda disgusting, really. The Catholic Church grew exponentially as a fast way to replace the Imperial Cult, courtesy of Constantine (who was a God-Fearer, not a Christian) pushing the idea of moving the idea of a state religion away from emperor worship to that of deity worship, hence Sol Invictus. Religion could be used to extort and control without putting him in the center. The man knew what he was doing.

Though the Church in it's present form and doctrine did not exist until post-Schism in the 11th Century, because the Orthodox Rite wasn't as keen on extortion and providing ultimate power to the Pope, and the Roman Rite wasn't keen on icon worship and allowing the Roman Emperor any sort of say in anything ever when they had their OWN Emperor of the Romans who was the really real Roman Emperor because he was crowned by the Pope and spoke Latin and not Greek and...@_@



tl,dr: The power of the Catholic Church is bullshit and the result of a dick waving contest in which man conceded to the power of the Church, where as in the East, the Orthodox Church conceded to the power of man. I'm finding myself reading more and more into the events in Late Antiquity leading up to the Great Schism. This period in history is INTENSE and understudied.


-Suu
Will either be the best history professor ever, or lose her job for potty mouth the first week.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Oh stella. I miss the days when i would have just dismissed you as a paranoid kook. Those were innocent times.

There's not a day that goes by that I don't want to dismiss MYSELF as a paranoid kook.

Jiminy fuckin' Cockroach.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.

As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)

If you can't feed them because of the crappy job market and increasingly crippled social programs, it's YOUR FAULT, they're YOUR responsibility, so FUCK YOU, they will be taken to foster care where they'll bounce around for years getting moved to all kinds of fucked up places getting abused who-knows-how-many ways until they are ready to KILL A MOTHERFUCKER. Like brown guys. In some other country. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.

As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)

If you can't feed them because of the crappy job market and increasingly crippled social programs, it's YOUR FAULT, they're YOUR responsibility, so FUCK YOU, they will be taken to foster care where they'll bounce around for years getting moved to all kinds of fucked up places getting abused who-knows-how-many ways until they are ready to KILL A MOTHERFUCKER. Like brown guys. In some other country.

Sure... but this line I once heard in a documentary on the Visigoths keeps running though my head:

"When you've buried your third child because of starvation and you've already eaten the family dog... you begin to consider rebellion".