Snoop... Lion? I don't know man, I just don't know...

[East Coast Hustle]

Waittaminute, are you trying to say that a religion that forbids soap or cutting your hair, believes that smoking dope is an important sacred sacrament, and thinks that some otherwise-unimportant emperor of Ethiopia was the 72nd reincarnation of the Godhead is DUMB and CRAZY?

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

Waittaminute, are you trying to say that a religion that forbids soap or cutting your hair, believes that smoking dope is an important sacred sacrament, and thinks that some otherwise-unimportant emperor of Ethiopia was the 72nd reincarnation of the Godhead is DUMB and CRAZY?

Well when you put it that way it's really only 25% crazy.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

heh, the cultural appropriation by white "rastas" always made me uncomfortable anyway, and I now know WHY they who term themselves as such are so deeply overcompensating, past my initial guesses/observations.

Although I had an amazing ital diet inspired vegetable curry on Saturday. it was SOOO fucking tasty.

[East Coast Hustle]

Yeah, I've had some really good ital cuisine. Thankfully, REAL Rastas are very welcoming to anyone who is respectfully curious about their culture and won't force you to put your hair in dreds just so you can get a roti for lunch.

[Triple Zero]

Still would like to know:

If Jimmy Cliff counts as reggae, I do not care for the sound.

In the context of what the music currently is, early reggae (and especially Jimmy Cliff) was more dub than anything else. I file him under the "better actor than musician/singer/rapper" category, right next to Wil Smith and Nelly.

What's the difference between dub and reggae?

[East Coast Hustle]

short version: studio tricks, heavy on the delay.

[the last yatto]

I blame nas... distant cousins was a great album

[Triple Zero]

short version: studio tricks, heavy on the delay.

Ok in that case it actually makes sense to call the shit I like to listen to "psydub"

Example Ott - Blumenkraft - 02 - Somersettler (if you're in a hurry skip the first minute of intro, if you're not in a hurry, the drop is much better if you don't. if you're *really* not in a hurry get the whole album it's fucking amazing) be sure to stick around for the sitar at 3:12

[LMNO]

My nomenclature of Dub is a little shakey, but from what I was led to understand, people like Lee "Scratch" Perry would take a reggae recording, and then start removing everything but the drum and the bass tracks, adding tons of reverb and delay, and then dropping in brief bits from the horn, guitar, and vocal takes.  There may also have been some looping, additional noises thrown in, maybe even from other tracks. 

Dimo is going to hate me, and ECH is probably going to as well, but the easiest example I can think of is The Clash's "Bankrobber"/"Bankrobber Dub" on Black Market Clash.

LET ME BREAK IN HERE AND SAY THAT THIS TRACK IS NOT MEANT TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF REGGAE MUSIC OR DUB AS A WHOLE.  IT IS MERELY A GOOD WAY TO SHOW AN ORIGINAL TRACK AND A DUB MIX.

"Bankrobber" is a typical white-brits-trying-to-play-reggae track, with prominent bass, offbeat guitars, and drop-three drum rhythms (and some hoarse-voiced git getting political).  "Bankrobber Dub" strips everything except the rhythm tracks, extends the mix, and drops in heavily delayed vocal snippets and guitar lines.

For a more modern, much less reggae example, go to the Frost Heaves page and listen to "Joey L" and then the "Joey L (Earfatigue Dub Mix)".  I swapped out the entire drum track, chopped and looped the bass, added keyboards, threw excessive delay on some guitar samples, and played word salad with the lyrics.

But, I may be wrong about the origins of dub.  If so, I've been using an entirely false history to inform how I remix songs.  Which in itself might be sort of cool.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.

I just listened to the six songs he has on Myspace.

It was unpleasant.

Here's the thing. I am not saying that reggae is bad music. I am just saying that I hate it, as a genre. I can listen to it under certain circumstances without it bothering me, unlike, say, noodly Jazz, which makes me want to shank a bitch, but I would never deliberately put it on to listen to it.

There is a lot of music that I don't like, but can still recognize as good music. I loathe U2 and Pearl Jam, but I can appreciate that they are good at what they do even though I can't tolerate it. I feel the same way about reggae. I hate everything about it, while recognizing it as a valid music form with highly talented musicians who are skilled at their craft.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

But if he's the reincarnation of Bob Marley, that means that from 1971-1981, he was two people at once.

I prefer to think that in 1981, the spirit of Bob Marley possessed him and subjugated the original spirit of little ten-year-old Snoop, who is still, deep inside, screaming to get out.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?

Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam?  I was under the impression there was a slight difference.

No, Nation of Islam is Black Muslim, which is not really exactly Islamic in the same way that Vodou is not really exactly Catholic.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?

Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam?  I was under the impression there was a slight difference.

No, Nation of Islam is Black Muslim, which is not really exactly Islamic in the same way that Vodou is not really exactly Catholic.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.

I just listened to the six songs he has on Myspace.

It was unpleasant.

Here's the thing. I am not saying that reggae is bad music. I am just saying that I hate it, as a genre. I can listen to it under certain circumstances without it bothering me, unlike, say, noodly Jazz, which makes me want to shank a bitch, but I would never deliberately put it on to listen to it.

There is a lot of music that I don't like, but can still recognize as good music. I loathe U2 and Pearl Jam, but I can appreciate that they are good at what they do even though I can't tolerate it. I feel the same way about reggae. I hate everything about it, while recognizing it as a valid music form with highly talented musicians who are skilled at their craft.

I feel exactly the same about a fair amount of Metal...and pretty much anything Snoop's done since leaving Death Row (or since I wasn't a teenager anymore depending on your chickens and eggs).

[East Coast Hustle]

My nomenclature of Dub is a little shakey, but from what I was led to understand, people like Lee "Scratch" Perry would take a reggae recording, and then start removing everything but the drum and the bass tracks, adding tons of reverb and delay, and then dropping in brief bits from the horn, guitar, and vocal takes.  There may also have been some looping, additional noises thrown in, maybe even from other tracks. 

Dimo is going to hate me, and ECH is probably going to as well, but the easiest example I can think of is The Clash's "Bankrobber"/"Bankrobber Dub" on Black Market Clash.

LET ME BREAK IN HERE AND SAY THAT THIS TRACK IS NOT MEANT TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF REGGAE MUSIC OR DUB AS A WHOLE.  IT IS MERELY A GOOD WAY TO SHOW AN ORIGINAL TRACK AND A DUB MIX.

"Bankrobber" is a typical white-brits-trying-to-play-reggae track, with prominent bass, offbeat guitars, and drop-three drum rhythms (and some hoarse-voiced git getting political).  "Bankrobber Dub" strips everything except the rhythm tracks, extends the mix, and drops in heavily delayed vocal snippets and guitar lines.

For a more modern, much less reggae example, go to the Frost Heaves page and listen to "Joey L" and then the "Joey L (Earfatigue Dub Mix)".  I swapped out the entire drum track, chopped and looped the bass, added keyboards, threw excessive delay on some guitar samples, and played word salad with the lyrics.

But, I may be wrong about the origins of dub.  If so, I've been using an entirely false history to inform how I remix songs.  Which in itself might be sort of cool.

Actually, you're explanation is spot-on as far as I know. And I don't know if Scratch was the first to ever do it but he was definitely the first to popularize it.

Also, I love the Clash's dub version of that song. In fact, that's my favorite Clash album.