Drug used to attempt to prevent transexualism, also hoped to reduce lesbianism

[BabylonHoruv]

http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2012/08/dreger-fetal-engineering.html

well here's some shitty news.  Not only is it an extremely dubious idea if it only does what it is supposed to, it's also highly likely to increase the fetus' cancer risk.

[Kai]

http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2012/08/dreger-fetal-engineering.html

well here's some shitty news.  Not only is it an extremely dubious idea if it only does what it is supposed to, it's also highly likely to increase the fetus' cancer risk.

Ahhhh, it's like we're back in the 1980s. Doctors are treating homosexuality as a disease. Next thing you know, the Stonewall riots will have never happened.

[Reginald Ret]

Fuckers. Putting the 'design your own baby' subject aside, they DARE to endanger and lie to their patients for a fukken cosmetic improvement?

On the designer babies subject:
I wouldn't mind if people can do this kind of thing if they were allowed to take it it's logical extreme. I wan't actual angels to fly in the sky. I want to see animal/human hybrids, I want creatures straight out of Tolkien, I want people being born with the proper wetware to interface with computers, I want gills motherfucker!

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I had somebody arguing with me on facebook the other night, saying people aren't born gay, it's caused by a hormone imbalance in childhood. So I asked him if he advocated hormone therapy for kids and he STFU and went away.

What's creepy is that he probably DOES, but he knew he'd get his ass slammed if he came out and said it.

[P3nT4gR4m]

http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2012/08/dreger-fetal-engineering.html

well here's some shitty news.  Not only is it an extremely dubious idea if it only does what it is supposed to, it's also highly likely to increase the fetus' cancer risk.

Ahhhh, it's like we're back in the 1980s. Doctors are treating homosexuality as a disease. Next thing you know, the Stonewall riots will have never happened.

It's now illegal to treat homosexuals as badwrong.

This does not mean that homosexuals are good.

The way this seems to have entered the body politic is that homosexuality is something unfortunate but not discriminated against, like paraplegia or downs syndrome.

It's a step forward but only half way.

Thus we have an argument (and genuine concern) that gay people adopting babies wil increase the babies chance of developing the ghey.

I accept the logic of this statement, positive gay role models may make a developing human tune into growing up gay themselves.

What I don't accept is that this is a bad thing.

Given that being gay is not a bad thing, increasing your chances of being gay isn't a bad thing either.

Me and society in general are in disagreement on this point.

Gay people denying the vailidity of the - gay adopters making gay people more likely - argument are arguing the wrong point, IMO

Their position should be "Yeah, maybe. So what?"

Me and the gay community in general are in disagreement on this point.

I disagree with most of humanity. All is as it should be 

[Juana]

Hmm, I don't think I necessarily agree with the "it might" part (I don't think you get to pick your sexuality; you get to choose whether to accept or pursue it, but it is what it is - otherwise we'd all be heterosexual) but the rest of it (including the fact that, "but so what?" ought to be the response, because responding otherwise is agreeing that homosexuality is teh baad, even just a little bit, with the haters) I agree with 100%.

Fuckers. Putting the 'design your own baby' subject aside, they DARE to endanger and lie to their patients for a fukken cosmetic improvement?

On the designer babies subject:
I wouldn't mind if people can do this kind of thing if they were allowed to take it it's logical extreme. I wan't actual angels to fly in the sky. I want to see animal/human hybrids, I want creatures straight out of Tolkien, I want people being born with the proper wetware to interface with computers, I want gills motherfucker!

I object to all of that on the basis that the kid had no say. I know that no one gets a say in how they're born, but that's far outside even the most extreme human norm and I can't condone that. Even extraordinary people, and your gilled angel would be, often hate being different in childhood, not to mention potential complications.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

I thought of Dr. Mengele too.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

I thought of Dr. Mengele too.

You don't have to go that far afield to find examples of eugenics.  Even involuntary, state-mandated eugenics.

We have a little history with that, ourselves.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

I thought of Dr. Mengele too.

You don't have to go that far afield to find examples of eugenics.  Even involuntary, state-mandated eugenics.

We have a little history with that, ourselves.

Pray do tell?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

I thought of Dr. Mengele too.

You don't have to go that far afield to find examples of eugenics.  Even involuntary, state-mandated eugenics.

We have a little history with that, ourselves.

Pray do tell?

Our government was big on involuntary sterilizations of Blacks, Native Americans, the poor, and the mentally ill/developmentally disabled, for about a hundred years or so, right up into the very end of the last century.  Hell, I have no evidence to suggest that the practice has entirely stopped.  Nigel has posted on this before, but I can find links, if you like.

Woman goes in for childbirth, comes out sterilized.  Sometimes without even being informed that it occurred, much less with consent.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

I thought of Dr. Mengele too.

You don't have to go that far afield to find examples of eugenics.  Even involuntary, state-mandated eugenics.

We have a little history with that, ourselves.

Pray do tell?

Our government was big on involuntary sterilizations of Blacks, Native Americans, the poor, and the mentally ill/developmentally disabled, for about a hundred years or so, right up into the very end of the last century.  Hell, I have no evidence to suggest that the practice has entirely stopped.  Nigel has posted on this before, but I can find links, if you like.

Woman goes in for childbirth, comes out sterilized.  Sometimes without even being informed that it occurred, much less with consent.

Jesus fuck! I wish I could say I was as shocked as I am disgusted.

[LMNO]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eugenics_Society

The American Eugenics Society (AES) was a society established in 1922 to promote eugenics in the United States.

It was the result of the Second International Conference on Eugenics (New York, 1921). The founders included Madison Grant, Harry H. Laughlin, Irving Fisher, Henry Fairfield Osborn, and Henry Crampton. The organization started by promoting racial betterment, eugenic health, and genetic education through public lectures, exhibits at county fairs etc. Under the direction of Frederick Osborn the society started to place greater focus on issues of population control, genetics, and, later, medical genetics.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I think we ought to concentrate on improving ourselves as PEOPLE rather than in the biological aspect.

As for the idea of preventing certain personality types, that stinks of eugenics.

I thought of Dr. Mengele too.

You don't have to go that far afield to find examples of eugenics.  Even involuntary, state-mandated eugenics.

We have a little history with that, ourselves.

Pray do tell?

Our government was big on involuntary sterilizations of Blacks, Native Americans, the poor, and the mentally ill/developmentally disabled, for about a hundred years or so, right up into the very end of the last century.  Hell, I have no evidence to suggest that the practice has entirely stopped.  Nigel has posted on this before, but I can find links, if you like.

Woman goes in for childbirth, comes out sterilized.  Sometimes without even being informed that it occurred, much less with consent.

Hell, they'd get told they needed an APPENDECTOMY and come out sterilized. Bureau of Indian Affairs clinics were still doing this in the 70's and I don't know that it's stopped, either.

We have a sliding scale clinic here that does pap smears, pap smears and more pap smears no matter what you go in for. They don't do much else, they refer people to places in San Antonio or Luling for most other problems. I wonder how many people get told they have abnormal cell growth that really don't?

Welcome to the reservation.

[Juana]

They were doing that well up into the 70s, Roger, especially to teenage WoC who had kids.