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Started by LMNO, August 01, 2012, 03:27:15 PM

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AFK

Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Pixie on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.

Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:

Pearl Jam IS the "American U2" though.

A couple good early albums, followed by massive hype and endless unwarranted self-importance.

Also, both have awesome-but-underrated guitar players and massively overrated singers.

And, both spawned legions of awful copycat bands. I still like "Ten", but I'll never forgive Eddie Vedder for giving rise to the likes of Scott Stapp et al.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 04, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.

Balls.  Absolute rubbish.


You are entitled to be wrong. 


Pop is worthless tripe, jazz is the very essence of Discordia.  If Eris were a musician, she'd be a jazz tombonist.


FACT!

If Eris were a musician, she'd be either Merzbow or Katie Perry, probably both at the same time.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Pixie on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.

Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:

:lol: It's got nothing to do with personalities, everything to do with the music.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


AFK

Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.

Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:

Pearl Jam IS the "American U2" though.

A couple good early albums, followed by massive hype and endless unwarranted self-importance.

Also, both have awesome-but-underrated guitar players and massively overrated singers.

And, both spawned legions of awful copycat bands. I still like "Ten", but I'll never forgive Eddie Vedder for giving rise to the likes of Scott Stapp et al.


This is all troof.  Pearl Jam seemed to have lost their spark after the Vitalogy album.  Everything after has been that boring, safe,eristocratic rock like what The Boss has been churning out.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

AFK

Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 04, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.

Balls.  Absolute rubbish.


You are entitled to be wrong. 


Pop is worthless tripe, jazz is the very essence of Discordia.  If Eris were a musician, she'd be a jazz tombonist.


FACT!

If Eris were a musician, she'd be either Merzbow or Katie Perry, probably both at the same time.


I can see that possibility as well.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

These days, I'm not a big fan of any sort of variation on Bop, with exceptions (Monk, for one).  What I'm really getting into is the kind of jazz typified by tenor sax ballads, the kind you'd hear at 2:00 am in a small, smokey bar after one two many bourbons.  The technique takes a back seat to the soul of a song.  Eldridge, Dexter, Lester Young, even some Coleman Hawkins or Cannonball Adderly. 

Please note this is also somewhat different from "cool" jazz, although that doesn't completely suck, either.

Mangrove

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 03:27:15 PM
Snoop Dog is trying to be a reggae singer.  Here's his first single.


It's got a roots sound, which I'm down with, but I can't shake the feeling that Damien Marley and HR are gonna want to smack a bitch.

I liked this....up until the point that Snoop started....uh...'singing'...and then I stopped caring. This is a case of 'stick with what you're good at'. Snoop's delivery is perfect for his hip-hop career and it's what made him unique. You only have to hear him say a couple of words on any track and you know it's him. But for me, and my humble little ears it doesn't work for reggae.

Speaking of which...I do happen to like roots reggae & dub. Perhaps it's from growing up in the UK where Afro-Carribean music (in all it's various genres) seems to be more widely known. And it makes sense given the influx of Islanders entering the UK in the post-war period. People I knew who were older than me remember listening to all the (original!) ska and bluebeat records in the 60s & 70s around the same time they were soaking up Motown records from the states.

When I moved here to the US and heard about the so called 'ska' bands, I was absolutely fucking horrified by the complete fucking nonsense that was passing for ska. [shudders]. They seem to think that playing really fast and doing plinky upstrokes on the guitar with a horn section counts for ska. No, it does not. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

I was never a fan of UB40 but they did at least show an acceptance within popular culture for reggae inspired sounds as did bands like Madness and The Specials back in the early 80s. Afro-carribean music is just one of those things, (like Indian food) that was imported and widely taken up as being British culture. 

ECH - obviously you have listened to and studied this music in depth. Tip of the hat in your direction sir! I've long been under the impression that America just didn't 'get' reggae.

What makes it so? Making it so is what makes it so.

East Coast Hustle

:lulz:

Thanks, Mang, but I'm a Virgin Islander. I'm only an American in the most technical sense of the term.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Mangrove

Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 06, 2012, 09:12:55 PM
:lulz:

Thanks, Mang, but I'm a Virgin Islander. I'm only an American in the most technical sense of the term.

:lol:

It's ok...I'm technically a number of nationalities also.

What makes it so? Making it so is what makes it so.