Sometimes it's nice to hear about very religious people who are righteous.

[Freeky]

http://www.newser.com/article/da0inoc01/us-nuns-facing-vatican-order-to-reform-quash-dissent-will-hold-talks-with-church-leaders.html

An American nuns group rebuked by the Vatican said Friday it would hold talks with the bishops appointed to overhaul the organization but would not "compromise its mission."

The St. Louis meeting was the group's first national gathering since a Vatican review concluded the sisters had "serious doctrinal problems" and promoted "certain radical feminist themes" that undermine Catholic teaching on all-male priesthood, birth control and homosexuality. The nuns also were accused of remaining nearly silent in the fight against abortion.

After the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s, many religious sisters shed their habits and traditional roles as they sought to more fully engage the modern world. The nuns said prayer and Christ remained central to their work as they focused increasingly on Catholic social justice teaching, such as fighting poverty and advocating for civil rights.

I mean, it might not be as awesome as it sounds, but it goes a long way to making me think that just because a person is some kind of Christian doesn't automatically mean that they're assholes.

[the last yatto]

Here in the NW there's two churches that refused to let the knights pentiton during service to repeal the gays right to marry

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://www.newser.com/article/da0inoc01/us-nuns-facing-vatican-order-to-reform-quash-dissent-will-hold-talks-with-church-leaders.html

An American nuns group rebuked by the Vatican said Friday it would hold talks with the bishops appointed to overhaul the organization but would not "compromise its mission."

The St. Louis meeting was the group's first national gathering since a Vatican review concluded the sisters had "serious doctrinal problems" and promoted "certain radical feminist themes" that undermine Catholic teaching on all-male priesthood, birth control and homosexuality. The nuns also were accused of remaining nearly silent in the fight against abortion.

After the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s, many religious sisters shed their habits and traditional roles as they sought to more fully engage the modern world. The nuns said prayer and Christ remained central to their work as they focused increasingly on Catholic social justice teaching, such as fighting poverty and advocating for civil rights.

I mean, it might not be as awesome as it sounds, but it goes a long way to making me think that just because a person is some kind of Christian doesn't automatically mean that they're assholes.

Let's make a list! 

1) Those nuns

2)Johnny Cash

3)...uhhh...

[Freeky]

http://www.newser.com/article/da0inoc01/us-nuns-facing-vatican-order-to-reform-quash-dissent-will-hold-talks-with-church-leaders.html

An American nuns group rebuked by the Vatican said Friday it would hold talks with the bishops appointed to overhaul the organization but would not "compromise its mission."

The St. Louis meeting was the group's first national gathering since a Vatican review concluded the sisters had "serious doctrinal problems" and promoted "certain radical feminist themes" that undermine Catholic teaching on all-male priesthood, birth control and homosexuality. The nuns also were accused of remaining nearly silent in the fight against abortion.

After the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s, many religious sisters shed their habits and traditional roles as they sought to more fully engage the modern world. The nuns said prayer and Christ remained central to their work as they focused increasingly on Catholic social justice teaching, such as fighting poverty and advocating for civil rights.

I mean, it might not be as awesome as it sounds, but it goes a long way to making me think that just because a person is some kind of Christian doesn't automatically mean that they're assholes.

Let's make a list! 

1) Those nuns

2)Johnny Cash

3)...uhhh...

It's important to remember that those nuns represent 52,000 Roman Catholic nuns, and only in America.

Also, I met a really religious person who was pretty righteous.  She ended up changing her stance on gay marriage, I think, while I was briefly in contact with her.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://www.newser.com/article/da0inoc01/us-nuns-facing-vatican-order-to-reform-quash-dissent-will-hold-talks-with-church-leaders.html

An American nuns group rebuked by the Vatican said Friday it would hold talks with the bishops appointed to overhaul the organization but would not "compromise its mission."

The St. Louis meeting was the group's first national gathering since a Vatican review concluded the sisters had "serious doctrinal problems" and promoted "certain radical feminist themes" that undermine Catholic teaching on all-male priesthood, birth control and homosexuality. The nuns also were accused of remaining nearly silent in the fight against abortion.

After the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s, many religious sisters shed their habits and traditional roles as they sought to more fully engage the modern world. The nuns said prayer and Christ remained central to their work as they focused increasingly on Catholic social justice teaching, such as fighting poverty and advocating for civil rights.

I mean, it might not be as awesome as it sounds, but it goes a long way to making me think that just because a person is some kind of Christian doesn't automatically mean that they're assholes.

Let's make a list! 

1) Those nuns

2)Johnny Cash

3)...uhhh...

It's important to remember that those nuns represent 52,000 Roman Catholic nuns, and only in America.

Also, I met a really religious person who was pretty righteous.  She ended up changing her stance on gay marriage, I think, while I was briefly in contact with her.

It would be nice to see a big old backlash against the christonauts. Not holding my breath, though.

[East Coast Hustle]

Painting a group as large and diverse as "christians" with a broad brush makes about as much sense as doing that to any huge and diverse group of people all over the world does, IMO. Better to treat people as people, no matter what kind of uniform they're insisting on. Even the shitty ones, as ignoring the uniform in favor of the individual tends to really get under their skin.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Painting a group as large and diverse as "christians" with a broad brush makes about as much sense as doing that to any huge and diverse group of people all over the world does.

I said "christonauts". The fire-breathing dinosaur people. 

[East Coast Hustle]

Oh, I wasn't really responding to you or Freeky specifically, just offering my thoughts on the subject in general.

And yeah, HUGE difference between "christian" and "christonaut". Sadly, I think the latter type tends to be more active and persistent in seeking out positions in christendom that offer them a voice and/or leadership.

[Freeky]

Painting a group as large and diverse as "christians" with a broad brush makes about as much sense as doing that to any huge and diverse group of people all over the world does, IMO. Better to treat people as people, no matter what kind of uniform they're insisting on. Even the shitty ones, as ignoring the uniform in favor of the individual tends to really get under their skin.

I definitely agree, but it's hard to remember with all the noisy assholes around.

[Cain]

The Catholic Church has been having large doctrinal issues in North America for years - Jesuits and Nuns feature heavily in these issues.

But beyond writing little declarations of "ur doin it rong", they don't actually really care.  All the real work is going on in Africa, and the African Catholics are far more socially conservative.  Prospects for conversion are better too, so while American Catholics agitate around the margins, the Vatican will stack the deck with African bishops and cardinals.

Game, set and match.

[Forsooth]

The Catholic Church has been having large doctrinal issues in North America for years - Jesuits and Nuns feature heavily in these issues.

But beyond writing little declarations of "ur doin it rong", they don't actually really care.  All the real work is going on in Africa, and the African Catholics are far more socially conservative.  Prospects for conversion are better too, so while American Catholics agitate around the margins, the Vatican will stack the deck with African bishops and cardinals.

Game, set and match.

It's a smart investment on their part; if they are continuously and successfully convincing people in Africa to not use BC then they technically just have to wait until the adherent populations and tithing revenues catch up to amounts elsewhere in the world, then the Vatican can really start to not give  two shakes of a thorny crown what the Americas do.

[AFK]

I know tons of cool Christians and tons who are asshats, but I can say the same thing about lawyers, Democrats, bakers, and Discordians.  Among many, many other subsets of peoples.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The Catholic Church has been having large doctrinal issues in North America for years - Jesuits and Nuns feature heavily in these issues.

But beyond writing little declarations of "ur doin it rong", they don't actually really care.  All the real work is going on in Africa, and the African Catholics are far more socially conservative.  Prospects for conversion are better too, so while American Catholics agitate around the margins, the Vatican will stack the deck with African bishops and cardinals.

Game, set and match.

It's a smart investment on their part; if they are continuously and successfully convincing people in Africa to not use BC then they technically just have to wait until the adherent populations and tithing revenues catch up to amounts elsewhere in the world, then the Vatican can really start to not give  two shakes of a thorny crown what the Americas do.

I find this post woefully, depressingly ignorant of reality of what's happening in Africa. Do me a favor and read up on it before you post again.