Circumcision: How does it work?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

So YHVH checks everybody's dick to see who's really Jewish?

Why did the custom spread to everybody else? OMF?

Yeah... I would have thought he had a DNA sequencer or something like that... but apparently he just did upskirts pics.

As to why it spread in the West... its kinda odd. according to the Christian Greek scriptures, the Apostles determined that Gentiles did not need to be circumcised. They claimed it was part of the Old Covenant which had been replaced by the New Covenant with Jesus. Circumcision in the US was not all that popular, even in the early 20th Century (according to Wikipedia it was about 33% of males in the 1930's).

However, there are a lot of modern Christian groups that think its supposed to be done... probably because the Bible is used to collect dust in their house, rather than be read

[Luna]

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Fucking hell, Roger...  Now there's iced tea in my keyboard.

This is a GIRL'S keyboard, it's not SUPPOSED to get all sticky.   

[The Johnny]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I dont remember where i read it, but cutting a piece of your dick off was kind of like a war uniform, to distinguish your comrades from enemies.

There are quite a few tribes in Africa who still use it this way, which is part of the reason why it can be so hard to get people to do it.

Really? I was talking about how i read about its origins with early jews against heathen tribes... didnt know this "war uniform" thing with circumsicion still was the reason.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I dont remember where i read it, but cutting a piece of your dick off was kind of like a war uniform, to distinguish your comrades from enemies.

There are quite a few tribes in Africa who still use it this way, which is part of the reason why it can be so hard to get people to do it.

Really? I was talking about how i read about its origins with early jews against heathen tribes... didnt know this "war uniform" thing with circumsicion still was the reason.

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/05/156197071/an-aids-ravaged-nation-turns-to-circumcision

Not sure about the "war" part but it definitely plays a part in tribal identity in some places.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I dont remember where i read it, but cutting a piece of your dick off was kind of like a war uniform, to distinguish your comrades from enemies.

There are quite a few tribes in Africa who still use it this way, which is part of the reason why it can be so hard to get people to do it.

Really? I was talking about how i read about its origins with early jews against heathen tribes... didnt know this "war uniform" thing with circumsicion still was the reason.

I believe the procedure dates as far back as Egypt. I was just commenting on the Western usage which is heavily influenced by their religion. There are various groups in Africa that do it for various reasons. In fact, I saw an episode of Bizarre Worlds where circumcision was done to the boy as a ritual of his becoming a man (the kid was 6 or 8 or something, not a baby). Once done, the eldest male relatives ate the foreskin, symbolically tying the older generation to the younger generation.

In Turkey, circumcision is also a 'becoming a man' ritual (Sunnet). Though its often done at childbirth (though a lot of people still hold to the old tradition), the celebration happens later in life (between the age of 5 and 12 depending on the affluence of the family). The boys are dressed in a white costume with a cape (with sparkles) and a hat (with feathers), they then load the kids into a vehicle and drive around the town/village while gypsies ride behind them in the back of a truck playing drums and flutes and horns and making music in general. The boy usually hangs out the window and waves at people like he's in a parade. That evening they will have a big celebration with food and dancing, then the boys will go dance and people will throw money at them. Its generally very expensive and family save for years in order to do it. The local city/town/village will hold a special event every few months for the families that are too poor to afford it on their own.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4WzRyYjHmE  <--- Video of a Circumcision party.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is a GIRL'S keyboard, it's not SUPPOSED to get all sticky.   

That's because you're not serious about having a good time.

[The Wizard Joseph]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

[The Johnny]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

now that you put it that way, missionaries are just trying to export freedom

there was this thing about having a special connection to god if you were an eunuch, wonder why that idea never really caught on?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The spread of circumcision to americans (not westerners. Americans) as i understand it is due to the us military getting infections from :drumroll: not bathing and screwing french hookers. Having something happen to your dick is mentally traumatizing. I can see how they would blame the foreskin as being dirty instead of blaming themselves for being dirty.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

now that you put it that way, missionaries are just trying to export freedom

there was this thing about having a special connection to god if you were an eunuch, wonder why that idea never really caught on?

Ahem .. catholic priests? Okay so they don't get surgical but it's pretty much the same thing.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

now that you put it that way, missionaries are just trying to export freedom

there was this thing about having a special connection to god if you were an eunuch, wonder why that idea never really caught on?

Ahem .. catholic priests? Okay so they don't get surgical but it's pretty much the same thing.

Wait... eunuchs rape altar boys?

[P3nT4gR4m]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

now that you put it that way, missionaries are just trying to export freedom

there was this thing about having a special connection to god if you were an eunuch, wonder why that idea never really caught on?

Ahem .. catholic priests? Okay so they don't get surgical but it's pretty much the same thing.

Wait... eunuchs rape altar boys?

They do if you leave their junk attached 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

now that you put it that way, missionaries are just trying to export freedom

there was this thing about having a special connection to god if you were an eunuch, wonder why that idea never really caught on?

Ahem .. catholic priests? Okay so they don't get surgical but it's pretty much the same thing.

The Catholics use the comment by Paul that basically says 'if you HAVE to get married, that's cool... but you can spend so much more focus on the LORD if you don't bother with those troublesome women" o something to that effect. Its interesting to note, though, that the criteria for picking Leaders in the first century, according to the Bible included the comment "Husband of one wife".

But ya know... the Catholics have all sorts of dogma that's based on Church tradition instead of the Bible... Peter (the so-called first pope) had a mother in law, so one would assume he had a wife. Either that, or he just told Jesus it was his mother in law so she'd get a free healing.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I often wonder how the human race survived before circumcision.

And if it IS divinely mandated, what's God trying to say?  "Oh, sorry, there was a bit of a gap in the mold, and you'll have to cut the flash off the product."

Ironically, the Jewish tradition is because YHVH said it would separate Abraham's children from the rest of the world, since Abraham was his buddy and he had promised Abraham that the 'seed'/'messiah' would come through his line. Poor Abe was in his 90's at the time. There was no mention by old YHVH that it was a health issue, but rather that it was a token of the covenant between Abraham and YHVH.

"You're my friend, to prove we're friends, please cut of a bit of your penis. Also cut off a bit of your son's penis and make every male in your lineage cut off a bit of their penis. Here's a nice sharp chunk of flint."

See, sounds just like YHVH, with friends like him... you're fucked. 

I don't necessarily believe any of the Sumerian mythos and the modernizations by Sitchin, but the "Lost Book of Enki" or whatever seems to indicate that the first people made as workers by the Annunaki were notable in that they had reddish skin and that their members had a foreskin. Apparently the 'Nnaki did not.  It's a mark of servitude. 
So only the anteaters and women folk of our planet are truly able to be free. 

Personally had the choice made for me, but it's interesting to note that the process of "converting" to Judaism requires it.  Even if it's already happened there's still a special ceremony and a sacred needle. Seems that there must be blood to get in on the covenant.  I only know this because my mother converted a few years back and was adopted by an elderly and sweet old woman.  I was offered the opportunity to join and had this conversation for real.  I declined, but talk about a way to ensure the sincerity of interested parties!

now that you put it that way, missionaries are just trying to export freedom

there was this thing about having a special connection to god if you were an eunuch, wonder why that idea never really caught on?

Ahem .. catholic priests? Okay so they don't get surgical but it's pretty much the same thing.

The Catholics use the comment by Paul that basically says 'if you HAVE to get married, that's cool... but you can spend so much more focus on the LORD if you don't bother with those troublesome women" o something to that effect. Its interesting to note, though, that the criteria for picking Leaders in the first century, according to the Bible included the comment "Husband of one wife".

But ya know... the Catholics have all sorts of dogma that's based on Church tradition instead of the Bible... Peter (the so-called first pope) had a mother in law, so one would assume he had a wife. Either that, or he just told Jesus it was his mother in law so she'd get a free healing.

Fortunately for christianity in general, reading comprehension skills are not a prerequisite otherwise, well, pretty much every verse of the bible? 

[East Coast Hustle]

My understanding of why it became the cultural norm in America is that it stems from a time when most children were not born in hospitals. Since circumcision was performed by a doctor and meant you were able to afford a hospital birth, it became a class indicator and, like many other class indicators, was quickly adopted by people who didn't want their neighbors to think they were one of those poor folk who had to plop the baby out into the washtub.

As for my personal opinion on it, I think that performing circumcisions on infants for whom it is not medically necessary is a goddamn abomination. How about I come cut part of YOUR dick off and don't give you a choice in the matter?