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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, September 05, 2012, 05:03:17 PM

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Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 06, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
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Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 05, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 05, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Today still? :(

Eh, I think it's higher now, with a significant leap within our lifetime. But still shitty. And American indian males are still more likely to die of murder than any other demographic.

And replacing alcoholism with meth-addiction isn't really helping matters on that front. I've got a couple of friends with res privileges who avoid them now as a result of some nasty close calls.

Meth is hardly exclusive to Native Americans...But given the whole concept of a "reservation" as "built-in mayhem", I can't imagine how bad it would get with some of the poorer tribes.

Last time I was out on the Yakima Reservation I literally saw 8 year old kids riding around on their bikes....smoking meth from a lightbulb.

There's something inherently wrong with the institution of the reservation.  I can't quite put it into words, because it keeps sounding like something Ronald Reagan would say, rather than what I mean.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 06, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 05, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 05, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 05, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Today still? :(

Eh, I think it's higher now, with a significant leap within our lifetime. But still shitty. And American indian males are still more likely to die of murder than any other demographic.

And replacing alcoholism with meth-addiction isn't really helping matters on that front. I've got a couple of friends with res privileges who avoid them now as a result of some nasty close calls.

Meth is hardly exclusive to Native Americans...But given the whole concept of a "reservation" as "built-in mayhem", I can't imagine how bad it would get with some of the poorer tribes.

Last time I was out on the Yakima Reservation I literally saw 8 year old kids riding around on their bikes....smoking meth from a lightbulb.

There's something inherently wrong with the institution of the reservation.  I can't quite put it into words, because it keeps sounding like something Ronald Reagan would say, rather than what I mean.

Because it's a fancy name for "animal preserve." 

"Let's set aside some land for these animals.  We'll fence it off, put 'em in there, where they can survive, and they won't bother anybody."

You don't do that to people.
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 06, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 05, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 05, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 05, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Today still? :(

Eh, I think it's higher now, with a significant leap within our lifetime. But still shitty. And American indian males are still more likely to die of murder than any other demographic.

And replacing alcoholism with meth-addiction isn't really helping matters on that front. I've got a couple of friends with res privileges who avoid them now as a result of some nasty close calls.

Meth is hardly exclusive to Native Americans...But given the whole concept of a "reservation" as "built-in mayhem", I can't imagine how bad it would get with some of the poorer tribes.

Last time I was out on the Yakima Reservation I literally saw 8 year old kids riding around on their bikes....smoking meth from a lightbulb.

There's something inherently wrong with the institution of the reservation.  I can't quite put it into words, because it keeps sounding like something Ronald Reagan would say, rather than what I mean.

Because it's a fancy name for "animal preserve." 

"Let's set aside some land for these animals.  We'll fence it off, put 'em in there, where they can survive, and they won't bother anybody."

You don't do that to people.

The argument given to that is "they can leave anytime they want".  All they have to do is, you know, give up any sense of belonging and community they've ever had.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 06, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 05, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 05, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 05, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Today still? :(

Eh, I think it's higher now, with a significant leap within our lifetime. But still shitty. And American indian males are still more likely to die of murder than any other demographic.

And replacing alcoholism with meth-addiction isn't really helping matters on that front. I've got a couple of friends with res privileges who avoid them now as a result of some nasty close calls.

Meth is hardly exclusive to Native Americans...But given the whole concept of a "reservation" as "built-in mayhem", I can't imagine how bad it would get with some of the poorer tribes.

Last time I was out on the Yakima Reservation I literally saw 8 year old kids riding around on their bikes....smoking meth from a lightbulb.

There's something inherently wrong with the institution of the reservation.  I can't quite put it into words, because it keeps sounding like something Ronald Reagan would say, rather than what I mean.

Because it's a fancy name for "animal preserve." 

"Let's set aside some land for these animals.  We'll fence it off, put 'em in there, where they can survive, and they won't bother anybody."

You don't do that to people.

The argument given to that is "they can leave anytime they want".  All they have to do is, you know, give up any sense of belonging and community they've ever had.

Sure, there are arguments to anything... but that's what hit me as wrong about them.
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 06, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 05, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 05, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 05, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Today still? :(

Eh, I think it's higher now, with a significant leap within our lifetime. But still shitty. And American indian males are still more likely to die of murder than any other demographic.

And replacing alcoholism with meth-addiction isn't really helping matters on that front. I've got a couple of friends with res privileges who avoid them now as a result of some nasty close calls.

Meth is hardly exclusive to Native Americans...But given the whole concept of a "reservation" as "built-in mayhem", I can't imagine how bad it would get with some of the poorer tribes.

Last time I was out on the Yakima Reservation I literally saw 8 year old kids riding around on their bikes....smoking meth from a lightbulb.

There's something inherently wrong with the institution of the reservation.  I can't quite put it into words, because it keeps sounding like something Ronald Reagan would say, rather than what I mean.

Because it's a fancy name for "animal preserve." 

"Let's set aside some land for these animals.  We'll fence it off, put 'em in there, where they can survive, and they won't bother anybody."

You don't do that to people.

The argument given to that is "they can leave anytime they want".  All they have to do is, you know, give up any sense of belonging and community they've ever had.

Sure, there are arguments to anything... but that's what hit me as wrong about them.

Oh, yes, of course.  Not saying you're wrong...It's just that the trap was built a century and more ago.  It is of no use to say what we shouldn't have done.  It is more important to think about ways of fixing it without making the problem worse.  Simply ending the reservation system, as Reagan wanted to do, would compound the problem, not end it. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 06, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 05, 2012, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 05, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 05, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Today still? :(

Eh, I think it's higher now, with a significant leap within our lifetime. But still shitty. And American indian males are still more likely to die of murder than any other demographic.

And replacing alcoholism with meth-addiction isn't really helping matters on that front. I've got a couple of friends with res privileges who avoid them now as a result of some nasty close calls.

Meth is hardly exclusive to Native Americans...But given the whole concept of a "reservation" as "built-in mayhem", I can't imagine how bad it would get with some of the poorer tribes.

Last time I was out on the Yakima Reservation I literally saw 8 year old kids riding around on their bikes....smoking meth from a lightbulb.

There's something inherently wrong with the institution of the reservation.  I can't quite put it into words, because it keeps sounding like something Ronald Reagan would say, rather than what I mean.

Because it's a fancy name for "animal preserve." 

"Let's set aside some land for these animals.  We'll fence it off, put 'em in there, where they can survive, and they won't bother anybody."

You don't do that to people.

The argument given to that is "they can leave anytime they want".  All they have to do is, you know, give up any sense of belonging and community they've ever had.

Sure, there are arguments to anything... but that's what hit me as wrong about them.

Oh, yes, of course.  Not saying you're wrong...It's just that the trap was built a century and more ago.  It is of no use to say what we shouldn't have done.  It is more important to think about ways of fixing it without making the problem worse.  Simply ending the reservation system, as Reagan wanted to do, would compound the problem, not end it.

Truth.

I have no solutions...  However, gotta say, I'm not wild about the trend toward building megacasinos...  Look deeper, most of the profits from those casinos aren't even going to the tribes.
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."