How most men, even good caring men, have no clue what women go through

[Verbal Mike]

Oh, and you know what, I call fucking bullshit on this line of reasoning.
It's not just that a poor dude might BE ABLE to rape or beat the crap out of a rich woman. It's that societal misogyny, in its manifestation within his social context, makes rich women an object of hate on way more levels than rich dudes. Dudes are expected, even required to be powerful and successful. Women who are powerful and successful should know their place, and if they don't, well you gotta put them there.

Misogyny might not be as powerful a force as class divisions, but it sure as hell cuts across them nonetheless.

[AFK]

You can't, but as ECH posits, within classes you can see gender advantage, and I agree with that.  But when you are comparing an impoverished white guy with an upper-class corporate white woman, the conversation about gender privilage doesn't make any sense, and frankly, is insulting to the man steeped in poverty.


I'm thinking maybe your middle-class privilege is clouding your view

[AFK]

Oh, and you know what, I call fucking bullshit on this line of reasoning.
It's not just that a poor dude might BE ABLE to rape or beat the crap out of a rich woman. It's that societal misogyny, in its manifestation within his social context, makes rich women an object of hate on way more levels than rich dudes. Dudes are expected, even required to be powerful and successful. Women who are powerful and successful should know their place, and if they don't, well you gotta put them there.

Misogyny might not be as powerful a force as class divisions, but it sure as hell cuts across them nonetheless.

Yeah, because all of the Male bankers were just getting TONS of love.  Am I right?

[Verbal Mike]

Oh, and you know what, I call fucking bullshit on this line of reasoning.
It's not just that a poor dude might BE ABLE to rape or beat the crap out of a rich woman. It's that societal misogyny, in its manifestation within his social context, makes rich women an object of hate on way more levels than rich dudes. Dudes are expected, even required to be powerful and successful. Women who are powerful and successful should know their place, and if they don't, well you gotta put them there.

Misogyny might not be as powerful a force as class divisions, but it sure as hell cuts across them nonetheless.

I was totally implying poor dudes love rich dudes. Yeah.

[AFK]

Sorry that last one was wrong, I fixed it here.

If you get something positive out of just being in a certain group thats a privilege of that group.

Thats it.

I think you're the only one who isn't really following the concept at this point.

So you say class privilege is more important. Well maybe it is.

But just because I'm middle class doesn't mean I'm genderless. So I get all advantages and disadvantages of my class and my gender.

And those advantages have a fancy name; privleges!

I'm following fine, I just don't agree, it's not what I see in the real world.  You guys seem, to me, to be arguing from an Ivory Tower, it is a very high level, theoretical kind of narrative.  What I'm telling you, is when you are on the ground talking to people and working with people, you see right away that there are hosts of people in our society who don't have any damned privileges, however you wish to define it in any given point.  A poor man gets fucked on a daily basis as does the poor woman.  They are completely undesireable, nobody wants them...


Don't talk to me about privilege, yeah maybe the muckety muck guy has it better than the muckety muck lady, fucking awful, let's start some fundraisers to fight for their cause.  I understand there is still gender inequality and I've not argued that for a second.  What I AM arguing, is you can't just go around labelling people shit out of luck as being privileged, just because of their plumbing, when the world is telling them on a daily basis it would rather they were fucking dead.

[AFK]

Oh, and you know what, I call fucking bullshit on this line of reasoning.
It's not just that a poor dude might BE ABLE to rape or beat the crap out of a rich woman. It's that societal misogyny, in its manifestation within his social context, makes rich women an object of hate on way more levels than rich dudes. Dudes are expected, even required to be powerful and successful. Women who are powerful and successful should know their place, and if they don't, well you gotta put them there.

Misogyny might not be as powerful a force as class divisions, but it sure as hell cuts across them nonetheless.

I was totally implying poor dudes love rich dudes. Yeah.

You seemed to be implying rich dudes weren't the objects of hate.  Try to be a little more thorough with your thoughts.

[Verbal Mike]

Fuck off and die.

[AFK]

No.  I'm exercising my human privilege of having my opinion based on my life experiences.  Don't like it?  Oh well.

[Verbal Mike]

Ooh, an opinion, how rare. Everyone who knows you IRL must feel so fortunate.

[AFK]

Do you blow up at everyone IRL who has a different point of view than you andsuggest they "die"?

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Do you blow up at everyone IRL who has a different point of view than you andsuggest they "die"?

Are you so open-minded that your brain fell out?

[AFK]

Oh I see we are now in the witty repartee portion of the discussion.  What's next, fart jokes?

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Oh I see we are now in the witty repartee portion of the discussion.  What's next, fart jokes?

I've alread stipulated a couple of times now that within the same intestinal diameter, there are going to be fecal differences that are noticeable and prominent, however, outside of the class structure, aside from sphincter clenching, there is nothing there.

[Placid Dingo]

Sorry that last one was wrong, I fixed it here.

If you get something positive out of just being in a certain group thats a privilege of that group.

Thats it. 

I think you're the only one who isn't really following the concept at this point.

So you say class privilege is more important. Well maybe it is.

But just because I'm middle class doesn't mean I'm genderless. So I get all advantages and disadvantages of my class and my gender.

And those advantages have a fancy name; privleges!

I'm following fine, I just don't agree, it's not what I see in the real world.  You guys seem, to me, to be arguing from an Ivory Tower, it is a very high level, theoretical kind of narrative.  What I'm telling you, is when you are on the ground talking to people and working with people, you see right away that there are hosts of people in our society who don't have any damned privileges, however you wish to define it in any given point.  A poor man gets fucked on a daily basis as does the poor woman.  They are completely undesireable, nobody wants them...


Don't talk to me about privilege, yeah maybe the muckety muck guy has it better than the muckety muck lady, fucking awful, let's start some fundraisers to fight for their cause.  I understand there is still gender inequality and I've not argued that for a second.  What I AM arguing, is you can't just go around labelling people shit out of luck as being privileged, just because of their plumbing, when the world is telling them on a daily basis it would rather they were fucking dead.

It's just that I agree with what you're saying, except for the conclusions you're drawing. 

I really don't think you seem to be on the same page, because every use of your word privilege is using it in a way that is inconsistent with the way it's used ITT. 

Now if you outright refuse to recognise any definition of privilege as anything other than something that has a direct and significant impact on a persons power over their circumstance, say so, and I'll sop trying to communicate the definition being used here.

The army example is the use of the word in this context. 

Because yes, you're pretty right. A poor man doesn't really have a hugely significant boost in his real situation from being a man. But that's not inconsistent with the idea of there being privileges to being male.

[Verbal Mike]

Do you blow up at everyone IRL who has a different point of view than you andsuggest they "die"?

IRL I don't meet many people who manage to argue aside from the main point of the discussion almost every time I say anything. I also don't meet many people who deny that male privilege exists.
I altogether rarely blow up. Bravo, and thanks for letting me exercise my rage glands.

Also, what PD just said.