News:

Endorsement from MysticWicks: "The most fatuous, manipulative, and venomous people to be found here are all of the discordian genre."

Main Menu

The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, September 17, 2012, 04:15:46 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Anna Mae Bollocks

Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 17, 2012, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 17, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 17, 2012, 07:21:23 PM
From Feministe:
QuoteFeminist porn is out there. In my opinion, feminist porn represents a diverse cross-section of people and is woman-friendly, queer-friendly, open to many interpretations of beauty, and is, at best, political and woman-owned.
I'll expand, if you want, when I'm not in class.

Equal opportunity slavery, IOW. Employs gay people, overweight people, homely people and amputees. Profits go to scummy women instead of scummy men.

This feminist porn seems a whole lot like the regular kind of porn.

There's the political bit, though.  If an actor screams "DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY" when he/she gets off, it's okay?

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 17, 2012, 07:21:23 PM
From Feministe:
QuoteFeminist porn is out there. In my opinion, feminist porn represents a diverse cross-section of people and is woman-friendly, queer-friendly, open to many interpretations of beauty, and is, at best, political and woman-owned.
I'll expand, if you want, when I'm not in class.

The author falls into the common trap of conflating defending the rights of sex workers with celebrating female sexuality.

QuoteLong story short is that I became passionate about the rights of sex workers and people that work in the sex/adult industry and began a more intelligent and articulate study of why I felt so compelled to defend pornography, prostitution, women's sexual pleasure, and my own sexual desires.

It really, really disturbs me when people group things like pornography, prostitution, and women's sexuality together, as if they are about the same things.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


EK WAFFLR

From the blog:

VegPorn
One of my fav's with models of all shapes and sizes. This site features only vegetarian and vegan models and is very inclusive of gender and sexual diversity including queer and trans models. It's also woman-owned. I've thought of applying to model here, but am somewhat afraid of losing my job or causing a local scandal...which is usually a sign that you should not do something!

Oh wow.
"At first I lifted weights.  But then I asked myself, 'why not people?'  Now everyone runs for the fjord when they see me."


Horribly Oscillating Assbasket of Deliciousness
[/b]

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 17, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 17, 2012, 07:21:23 PM
From Feministe:
QuoteFeminist porn is out there. In my opinion, feminist porn represents a diverse cross-section of people and is woman-friendly, queer-friendly, open to many interpretations of beauty, and is, at best, political and woman-owned.
I'll expand, if you want, when I'm not in class.

The author falls into the common trap of conflating defending the rights of sex workers with celebrating female sexuality.

QuoteLong story short is that I became passionate about the rights of sex workers and people that work in the sex/adult industry and began a more intelligent and articulate study of why I felt so compelled to defend pornography, prostitution, women's sexual pleasure, and my own sexual desires.

It really, really disturbs me when people group things like pornography, prostitution, and women's sexuality together, as if they are about the same things.

And that's it in a nutshell.  Conflating degradation such as prostitution & porn with "sexual pleasure and desire" is kind of a naive mistake.  I've known prostitutes.  They don't "desire" any part of their job.  It's just how they pay for their kids' food (at best), or their next fix (the usual case). 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on September 17, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
From the blog:

VegPorn
One of my fav's with models of all shapes and sizes. This site features only vegetarian and vegan models and is very inclusive of gender and sexual diversity including queer and trans models. It's also woman-owned. I've thought of applying to model here, but am somewhat afraid of losing my job or causing a local scandal...which is usually a sign that you should not do something!

Oh wow.

There's so much cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy here that I don't know where to begin.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Anna Mae Bollocks

Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on September 17, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
From the blog:

VegPorn
One of my fav's with models of all shapes and sizes. This site features only vegetarian and vegan models and is very inclusive of gender and sexual diversity including queer and trans models. It's also woman-owned. I've thought of applying to model here, but am somewhat afraid of losing my job or causing a local scandal...which is usually a sign that you should not do something!

Oh wow.

There's a VEG FETISH?  :horrormirth:

Porn with a veneer of "I'd like to teach the world to sing" strikes me as SLIMIER than straight-up, "we're gonna use you like a jack rag" porn.
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

tyrannosaurus vex

So the next question would be

Is it possible to celebrate and publish Human Sexuality in a way that is not degrading to anyone, or are all real depicted sexual images and acts inherently degrading?
Evil and Unfeeling Arse-Flenser From The City of the Damned.

Anna Mae Bollocks

Quote from: v3x on September 17, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
So the next question would be

Is it possible to celebrate and publish Human Sexuality in a way that is not degrading to anyone, or are all real depicted sexual images and acts inherently degrading?

I'm guessing it becomes degrading when money changes hands. You're not doing it because it's your thing anymore. You're doing it because you need money.
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 17, 2012, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on September 17, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
From the blog:

VegPorn
One of my fav's with models of all shapes and sizes. This site features only vegetarian and vegan models and is very inclusive of gender and sexual diversity including queer and trans models. It's also woman-owned. I've thought of applying to model here, but am somewhat afraid of losing my job or causing a local scandal...which is usually a sign that you should not do something!

Oh wow.

There's a VEG FETISH?  :horrormirth:

Porn with a veneer of "I'd like to teach the world to sing" strikes me as SLIMIER than straight-up, "we're gonna use you like a jack rag" porn.

Disneyporn.  :vom:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: v3x on September 17, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
So the next question would be

Is it possible to celebrate and publish Human Sexuality in a way that is not degrading to anyone, or are all real depicted sexual images and acts inherently degrading?

As Nigel said, outliers exist.  But they're really rare.

You get a couple that are exhibitionists, for example.  They get a huge boot out of filming themselves in the act and posting it.  Nobody has been exploited.

But what percentage of porn fits that bill?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Anna Mae Bollocks

Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 17, 2012, 07:42:25 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 17, 2012, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on September 17, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
From the blog:

VegPorn
One of my fav's with models of all shapes and sizes. This site features only vegetarian and vegan models and is very inclusive of gender and sexual diversity including queer and trans models. It's also woman-owned. I've thought of applying to model here, but am somewhat afraid of losing my job or causing a local scandal...which is usually a sign that you should not do something!

Oh wow.

There's a VEG FETISH?  :horrormirth:

Porn with a veneer of "I'd like to teach the world to sing" strikes me as SLIMIER than straight-up, "we're gonna use you like a jack rag" porn.

Disneyporn.  :vom:

The blog header alone is creepy as fuck:

Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

Cain

Feministe got into a hilarious spat with Sadly, No! a couple of years ago, when the latter had the temerity to make a fat joke.

No, wait, I tell a lie: two fat jokes.

It nearly caused the entire US liberal blogosophere to go into a meltdown.

Like any blog with multiple authors, there are some really good writers there.  But, by and large, it's the kind of place where "being offended" is the chief barometer of morality, along with the identity politics sort of stuff that suggests the authors went to University in the 1980s, did Literary Theory and then never moved on.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: v3x on September 17, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
So the next question would be

Is it possible to celebrate and publish Human Sexuality in a way that is not degrading to anyone, or are all real depicted sexual images and acts inherently degrading?

It is absolutely possible. The problem is attaining that goal in a market-driven society in which women and women's sexuality are objectified.

The Joy of Sex has its own issues as a product of it's time, but its intention as an erotic celebration of mutually fulfilling sexual interaction shines in both its text and in its beautiful, graphic illustrations.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 17, 2012, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 17, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
So the next question would be

Is it possible to celebrate and publish Human Sexuality in a way that is not degrading to anyone, or are all real depicted sexual images and acts inherently degrading?

As Nigel said, outliers exist.  But they're really rare.

You get a couple that are exhibitionists, for example.  They get a huge boot out of filming themselves in the act and posting it.  Nobody has been exploited.

But what percentage of porn fits that bill?

I am a highly visual person and I masturbate to porn. For personal ethical reasons, the porn I choose is exhibitionist amateur male masturbation video. It's free, and if I'm lucky I can get it directly from the source, eliminating any concerns about it being a product or byproduct of commercial exploitation.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 17, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 17, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
So the next question would be

Is it possible to celebrate and publish Human Sexuality in a way that is not degrading to anyone, or are all real depicted sexual images and acts inherently degrading?

It is absolutely possible. The problem is attaining that goal in a market-driven society in which women and women's sexuality are objectified.

The Joy of Sex has its own issues as a product of it's time, but its intention as an erotic celebration of mutually fulfilling sexual interaction shines in both its text and in its beautiful, graphic illustrations.

I've got to correct myself there. It's not just women's sexuality, but sex-as-commodity. I've seen gay porn that is every bit as objectifying and dehumanizing.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."