The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I mean, I knew models can hide it pretty easy, as they're not really encouraged to have actual facial expressions, but porn is rather more engaged than standing around and being told to pretend you're a Greek statue or something.

Ever SEE a porn film?  The facial expressions are RIDICULOUS.  If I had a partner start acting like that, I'd hop out of the bed and call an ambulance.

Have you ever seen your own facial expressions while you're having sex?

I know for a fact that MINE are definitely ridiculous.

No idea.  I'm not paying attention to me.

[Juana]

And Garbo, do you really think the industry caters to the ACTORS kinks?

From what I saw of the industry?  Sadly, no.

It's "GET THE FUCK IN THERE, BABE, JOHNNY WOSSNAME FINALLY GOT HARD.  HERE, TAKE A HIT, NOW GET THE HELL IN THERE."

The submissive one is lucky if he/she are told WHAT'S gonna happen.  The idea that they get a say in it is ridiculous.

And until I see proof otherwise, I am assuming "feminist porn" is run the same way.  There is no reason at all that a woman can't be every bit as evil and exploitive as a man is capable of being.

Makes GREAT ad copy, though, doesn't it?

"Here at Femme Porn™, we treat our stars as people, and pay them in unicorn poop!"

Reality:  "GET THE FUCK IN THERE, BABE, JOHNNY WOSSNAME FINALLY GOT HARD.  HERE, TAKE A HIT, NOW GET THE HELL IN THERE."

Fair enough.

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I mean, I knew models can hide it pretty easy, as they're not really encouraged to have actual facial expressions, but porn is rather more engaged than standing around and being told to pretend you're a Greek statue or something.

Ever SEE a porn film?  The facial expressions are RIDICULOUS.  If I had a partner start acting like that, I'd hop out of the bed and call an ambulance.

Have you ever seen your own facial expressions while you're having sex?

I know for a fact that MINE are definitely ridiculous.

No idea.  I'm not paying attention to me.

If you ever record yourself you can't help but notice, at least in my experience.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The way I solved the porn problem was to get my girlfriend's unequivocal consent to be filmed while we get down. Besides knowing that she was not faking it, DIY porn has the added amusement of being able to observe your own facial expressions and whatnot.

But one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do was to delete our home made pornos after our relationship was over.

Never.

I'd never be able to have sex without giggling, ever again.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I mean, I knew models can hide it pretty easy, as they're not really encouraged to have actual facial expressions, but porn is rather more engaged than standing around and being told to pretend you're a Greek statue or something.

Ever SEE a porn film?  The facial expressions are RIDICULOUS.  If I had a partner start acting like that, I'd hop out of the bed and call an ambulance.

Have you ever seen your own facial expressions while you're having sex?

I know for a fact that MINE are definitely ridiculous.

No idea.  I'm not paying attention to me.

If you ever record yourself you can't help but notice, at least in my experience.

See my above post.

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The way I solved the porn problem was to get my girlfriend's unequivocal consent to be filmed while we get down. Besides knowing that she was not faking it, DIY porn has the added amusement of being able to observe your own facial expressions and whatnot.

But one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do was to delete our home made pornos after our relationship was over.

Never.

I'd never be able to have sex without giggling, ever again.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The way I solved the porn problem was to get my girlfriend's unequivocal consent to be filmed while we get down. Besides knowing that she was not faking it, DIY porn has the added amusement of being able to observe your own facial expressions and whatnot.

But one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do was to delete our home made pornos after our relationship was over.

Never.

I'd never be able to have sex without giggling, ever again.

You have to remember that I am old.  Old people are not sexy while in the act.  No.  There are fresh fears inscribed on horror's scrolls, and any decent country would outlaw the very idea.

I once made a podcast about this very thing, that made my point admirably.

[hooplala]

The OP is a nicely written piece, but it's painted with a pretty broad brush, and the brush seems pretty old to me.  Are people used up by the porn industry?  Some are, mostly fringe elements on both ends (production and talent), but that also sadly happens in "legitimate entertainment", which is a funny term.  The big companies now sign pretty fair deals with most of the girls, and a large portion of them own and operate their own (popular) websites in exchange for promotion of the company's site and material.  Also, girls (not just stars) are paid a LOT more than Roger mentioned for a single 4 hour filming session, and can and do bang out 2 or 3 a day then take months at a time off.  Do some of the talent use drugs?  yes, but so do some of the regular population of planet earth, soo-prise.  It's not, however, the coke-addled industry the movies might have you believe.  It WAS, in the late 70s, but again, so was the rest of the world.

In addition to all of THAT, the talent make the majority of their income touring strip clubs - where they make 100% of what they earn, and brother they earn big.  It is not at all uncommon for girls in the industry to retire after 5 or so years, wealthy, owning things like computer or marketing companies.  Some marry rich Saudi businessmen... and some end up drug-addled prostitutes, but then that happens all around too.

Is porn exploitive, yes.  Is it as bad as it was?  Nope.  Is it as bad as Roger painted?  Not really.

That's my 2 cents. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The OP is a nicely written piece, but it's painted with a pretty broad brush, and the brush seems pretty old to me.  Are people used up by the porn industry?  Some are, mostly fringe elements on both ends (production and talent), but that also sadly happens in "legitimate entertainment", which is a funny term.  The big companies now sign pretty fair deals with most of the girls, and a large portion of them own and operate their own (popular) websites in exchange for promotion of the company's site and material.  Also, girls (not just stars) are paid a LOT more than Roger mentioned for a single 4 hour filming session, and can and do bang out 2 or 3 a day then take months at a time off.  Do some of the talent use drugs?  yes, but so do some of the regular population of planet earth, soo-prise.  It's not, however, the coke-addled industry the movies might have you believe.  It WAS, in the late 70s, but again, so was the rest of the world.

In addition to all of THAT, the talent make the majority of their income touring strip clubs - where they make 100% of what they earn, and brother they earn big.  It is not at all uncommon for girls in the industry to retire after 5 or so years, wealthy, owning things like computer or marketing companies.  Some marry rich Saudi businessmen... and some end up drug-addled prostitutes, but then that happens all around too.

Is porn exploitive, yes.  Is it as bad as it was?  Nope.  Is it as bad as Roger painted?  Not really.

That's my 2 cents.

I can only speak from my own experience, Hoops.  You may well be right, if you're talking about big names.

[hooplala]

The OP is a nicely written piece, but it's painted with a pretty broad brush, and the brush seems pretty old to me.  Are people used up by the porn industry?  Some are, mostly fringe elements on both ends (production and talent), but that also sadly happens in "legitimate entertainment", which is a funny term.  The big companies now sign pretty fair deals with most of the girls, and a large portion of them own and operate their own (popular) websites in exchange for promotion of the company's site and material.  Also, girls (not just stars) are paid a LOT more than Roger mentioned for a single 4 hour filming session, and can and do bang out 2 or 3 a day then take months at a time off.  Do some of the talent use drugs?  yes, but so do some of the regular population of planet earth, soo-prise.  It's not, however, the coke-addled industry the movies might have you believe.  It WAS, in the late 70s, but again, so was the rest of the world.

In addition to all of THAT, the talent make the majority of their income touring strip clubs - where they make 100% of what they earn, and brother they earn big.  It is not at all uncommon for girls in the industry to retire after 5 or so years, wealthy, owning things like computer or marketing companies.  Some marry rich Saudi businessmen... and some end up drug-addled prostitutes, but then that happens all around too.

Is porn exploitive, yes.  Is it as bad as it was?  Nope.  Is it as bad as Roger painted?  Not really.

That's my 2 cents.

I can only speak from my own experience, Hoops.  You may well be right, if you're talking about big names.

What you said certainly WAS completely true, before internet age.  That changed everything. And still can happen, but I don't think it's the rule.

ALSO, I should point out that what I stated only really applies in North America... in eastern Europe it can be really really fucking vile.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The OP is a nicely written piece, but it's painted with a pretty broad brush, and the brush seems pretty old to me.  Are people used up by the porn industry?  Some are, mostly fringe elements on both ends (production and talent), but that also sadly happens in "legitimate entertainment", which is a funny term.  The big companies now sign pretty fair deals with most of the girls, and a large portion of them own and operate their own (popular) websites in exchange for promotion of the company's site and material.  Also, girls (not just stars) are paid a LOT more than Roger mentioned for a single 4 hour filming session, and can and do bang out 2 or 3 a day then take months at a time off.  Do some of the talent use drugs?  yes, but so do some of the regular population of planet earth, soo-prise.  It's not, however, the coke-addled industry the movies might have you believe.  It WAS, in the late 70s, but again, so was the rest of the world.

In addition to all of THAT, the talent make the majority of their income touring strip clubs - where they make 100% of what they earn, and brother they earn big.  It is not at all uncommon for girls in the industry to retire after 5 or so years, wealthy, owning things like computer or marketing companies.  Some marry rich Saudi businessmen... and some end up drug-addled prostitutes, but then that happens all around too.

Is porn exploitive, yes.  Is it as bad as it was?  Nope.  Is it as bad as Roger painted?  Not really.

That's my 2 cents.

I can only speak from my own experience, Hoops.  You may well be right, if you're talking about big names.

What you said certainly WAS completely true, before internet age.  That changed everything. And still can happen, but I don't think it's the rule.

ALSO, I should point out that what I stated only really applies in North America... in eastern Europe it can be really really fucking vile.

I'm talking about your low-end shit, here.  Filmed in shitty motels who only say "don't clog up the drains".

[Faust]

Pretty much all European pornography has close ties to sex trafficking and the drug trade. It became an open part of the American entertainment industry, over here it's still taboo and as such has not been looked at closely enough.

U.S Porn stars are closer to celebrities now then anything else and as such the money surrounding the production companies has to be clean, and the drugs are downplayed if not low in general.

[hooplala]

Over here, in the big companies, the performers are screened for both STDs and drugs.  They don't want the "talent" high any more than any company does. 

Also, AFAIK, there really isn't any such thing as a fluffer anymore.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Over here, in the big companies, the performers are screened for both STDs and drugs.  They don't want the "talent" high any more than any company does. 

Also, AFAIK, there really isn't any such thing as a fluffer anymore.

Again, I can only speak to what I've seen with my own eyes. 

[Elder Iptuous]

So, assuming your thinking about the state of the porn industry open to revision based on a current worker's experience, do you think there is redeemability in the porn industry?