The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It seems to me that "feminist porn" in the best possible sense is still tragic, because the only healthy thing it satisfies is a gaping hole in human sexual expression that only exists because of fucked up puritanical social taboos that say sex is dirty and should be something to hide. In a better society, everything a person might gain from "feminist porn" would be more easily gained from real human interaction, through a less restrictive cultural definition of sexuality.

As it is now, I can't help but wonder if formulating an "ethically acceptable" form of pornography isn't actually counterproductive to forming that kind of culture, because it allows a person to engage in "cleaner" pornography but completely avoid the question of why pornography is necessary at all.

Good points.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The way I solved the porn problem was to get my girlfriend's unequivocal consent to be filmed while we get down. Besides knowing that she was not faking it, DIY porn has the added amusement of being able to observe your own facial expressions and whatnot.

But one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do was to delete our home made pornos after our relationship was over.

Never.

I'd never be able to have sex without giggling, ever again.

You have to remember that I am old.  Old people are not sexy while in the act.  No.  There are fresh fears inscribed on horror's scrolls, and any decent country would outlaw the very idea.

I once made a podcast about this very thing, that made my point admirably.

I had a thought regarding this the other night, considered writing a story about it for the good folks at FizzyGrizzly, and then laughed myself to sleep.

[Placid Dingo]

It seems to me that "feminist porn" in the best possible sense is still tragic, because the only healthy thing it satisfies is a gaping hole in human sexual expression that only exists because of fucked up puritanical social taboos that say sex is dirty and should be something to hide. In a better society, everything a person might gain from "feminist porn" would be more easily gained from real human interaction, through a less restrictive cultural definition of sexuality.

As it is now, I can't help but wonder if formulating an "ethically acceptable" form of pornography isn't actually counterproductive to forming that kind of culture, because it allows a person to engage in "cleaner" pornography but completely avoid the question of why pornography is necessary at all.

Good points.

Im inclined to disagree. If we're considering best case scenario I think porn won't be needed but it would be wanted. You might even see some complex themes and character development made by individuals who like to make their coin through being filmed having sex.

So I don't think that pornography would still be terrible in an ideal world.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So, assuming your thinking about the state of the porn industry open to revision based on a current worker's experience, do you think there is redeemability in the porn industry?

No.  It's still making people a commodity.

However, I am against outlawing it, for reasons which should be pretty fucking obvious, the first of which is I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL CONSENTING ADULTS WHAT THEY CAN'T DO.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It seems to me that "feminist porn" in the best possible sense is still tragic, because the only healthy thing it satisfies is a gaping hole in human sexual expression that only exists because of fucked up puritanical social taboos that say sex is dirty and should be something to hide. In a better society, everything a person might gain from "feminist porn" would be more easily gained from real human interaction, through a less restrictive cultural definition of sexuality.

As it is now, I can't help but wonder if formulating an "ethically acceptable" form of pornography isn't actually counterproductive to forming that kind of culture, because it allows a person to engage in "cleaner" pornography but completely avoid the question of why pornography is necessary at all.

Good points.

Im inclined to disagree. If we're considering best case scenario I think porn won't be needed but it would be wanted. You might even see some complex themes and character development made by individuals who like to make their coin through being filmed having sex.

So I don't think that pornography would still be terrible in an ideal world.

But we don't live in an ideal world, Dingo.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The OP is a nicely written piece, but it's painted with a pretty broad brush, and the brush seems pretty old to me.  Are people used up by the porn industry?  Some are, mostly fringe elements on both ends (production and talent), but that also sadly happens in "legitimate entertainment", which is a funny term.  The big companies now sign pretty fair deals with most of the girls, and a large portion of them own and operate their own (popular) websites in exchange for promotion of the company's site and material.  Also, girls (not just stars) are paid a LOT more than Roger mentioned for a single 4 hour filming session, and can and do bang out 2 or 3 a day then take months at a time off.  Do some of the talent use drugs?  yes, but so do some of the regular population of planet earth, soo-prise.  It's not, however, the coke-addled industry the movies might have you believe.  It WAS, in the late 70s, but again, so was the rest of the world.

In addition to all of THAT, the talent make the majority of their income touring strip clubs - where they make 100% of what they earn, and brother they earn big.  It is not at all uncommon for girls in the industry to retire after 5 or so years, wealthy, owning things like computer or marketing companies.  Some marry rich Saudi businessmen... and some end up drug-addled prostitutes, but then that happens all around too.

Is porn exploitive, yes.  Is it as bad as it was?  Nope.  Is it as bad as Roger painted?  Not really.

That's my 2 cents. 

Make good money. Get tested for STD's. Be regarded in this light.

A few choice comments (more at the link):

"haha looks fade and her pussy cant stay tight forever but w/e might as well enjoy her until she becomes a total washed up whore"

"I like seeing her get violated" (5 thumbs up, by the way)

"yeah, its a fact that most pornstars have an IQ of 23″

"Do you think she became a pornstar because her daddy told her to do so? lol, she's dumb as fuck"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So, assuming your thinking about the state of the porn industry open to revision based on a current worker's experience, do you think there is redeemability in the porn industry?

I don't personally think that there is, because it's an industry based on the commodification of sex.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So, assuming your thinking about the state of the porn industry open to revision based on a current worker's experience, do you think there is redeemability in the porn industry?

No.  It's still making people a commodity.

However, I am against outlawing it, for reasons which should be pretty fucking obvious, the first of which is I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL CONSENTING ADULTS WHAT THEY CAN'T DO.

And that, too. I don't think outlawing it would do anything but make things worse for the actors.

[Placid Dingo]

It seems to me that "feminist porn" in the best possible sense is still tragic, because the only healthy thing it satisfies is a gaping hole in human sexual expression that only exists because of fucked up puritanical social taboos that say sex is dirty and should be something to hide. In a better society, everything a person might gain from "feminist porn" would be more easily gained from real human interaction, through a less restrictive cultural definition of sexuality.

As it is now, I can't help but wonder if formulating an "ethically acceptable" form of pornography isn't actually counterproductive to forming that kind of culture, because it allows a person to engage in "cleaner" pornography but completely avoid the question of why pornography is necessary at all.

Good points.

Im inclined to disagree. If we're considering best case scenario I think porn won't be needed but it would be wanted. You might even see some complex themes and character development made by individuals who like to make their coin through being filmed having sex.

So I don't think that pornography would still be terrible in an ideal world.

But we don't live in an ideal world, Dingo.

Yeah. Specifically I was taking to Vexs point that even in an ideal world it would be a terrible thing.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Time frame is well past the 1970's...How accurate is this?
http://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-industry

"Out of about 1,500 performers working in California, 41 people that we know of died from AIDS, suicide, homicide and drug related deaths between 2007 and 2011...

"When the deaths of 129 porn performers over a period of roughly 20 years were analyzed it was discovered that were an unusually large number of premature deaths from such causes as drugs, suicide, murder, alcohol abuse, accidental death, and disease. It was also discovered that the average life expectancy of a porn performer is only 37.43 years whereas the average life expectancy of an American is 78.1 years"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It seems to me that "feminist porn" in the best possible sense is still tragic, because the only healthy thing it satisfies is a gaping hole in human sexual expression that only exists because of fucked up puritanical social taboos that say sex is dirty and should be something to hide. In a better society, everything a person might gain from "feminist porn" would be more easily gained from real human interaction, through a less restrictive cultural definition of sexuality.

As it is now, I can't help but wonder if formulating an "ethically acceptable" form of pornography isn't actually counterproductive to forming that kind of culture, because it allows a person to engage in "cleaner" pornography but completely avoid the question of why pornography is necessary at all.

Good points.

Im inclined to disagree. If we're considering best case scenario I think porn won't be needed but it would be wanted. You might even see some complex themes and character development made by individuals who like to make their coin through being filmed having sex.

So I don't think that pornography would still be terrible in an ideal world.

But we don't live in an ideal world, Dingo.

Yeah. Specifically I was taking to Vexs point that even in an ideal world it would be a terrible thing.

I thought that his point was that in an ideal world it would be mostly unwanted and unnecessary.

[Kai]

It seems to me that "feminist porn" in the best possible sense is still tragic, because the only healthy thing it satisfies is a gaping hole in human sexual expression that only exists because of fucked up puritanical social taboos that say sex is dirty and should be something to hide. In a better society, everything a person might gain from "feminist porn" would be more easily gained from real human interaction, through a less restrictive cultural definition of sexuality.

As it is now, I can't help but wonder if formulating an "ethically acceptable" form of pornography isn't actually counterproductive to forming that kind of culture, because it allows a person to engage in "cleaner" pornography but completely avoid the question of why pornography is necessary at all.

Thank you, V3x. This is just so.

[hooplala]

Sometimes people just want to get off without all the mumbo jumbo that comes with interacting with another person.  I'm all behind the idea that people shouldn't be subjugated into situations they don't want to be in, but I will not get behind the idea that pornography in and of itself is wrong.

Erotic art goes back to cave drawings, are you considering all of that inherently wrong?  We haven't brought up gay porn, which I doubt anyone would seriously argue exploits anyone, unless they were vastly out of touch with the genre.  Also wrong?

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Sometimes people just want to get off without all the mumbo jumbo that comes with interacting with another person.  I'm all behind the idea that people shouldn't be subjugated into situations they don't want to be in, but I will not get behind the idea that pornography in and of itself is wrong.

Erotic art goes back to cave drawings, are you considering all of that inherently wrong?  We haven't brought up gay porn, which I doubt anyone would seriously argue exploits anyone, unless they were vastly out of touch with the genre.  Also wrong?

Not throwing down the gauntlet, just trying to comprehend (and for the record, I'm not in favor of outlawing porn).

People can "get off without all the mumbo jumbo that comes with interacting with another person" by simply masturbating, not sure why porn is necessary for that. 

Erotic art isn't porn.

I know next to nothing about gay porn, so I'm staying out of that one.

[hooplala]

Sometimes people just want to get off without all the mumbo jumbo that comes with interacting with another person.  I'm all behind the idea that people shouldn't be subjugated into situations they don't want to be in, but I will not get behind the idea that pornography in and of itself is wrong.

Erotic art goes back to cave drawings, are you considering all of that inherently wrong?  We haven't brought up gay porn, which I doubt anyone would seriously argue exploits anyone, unless they were vastly out of touch with the genre.  Also wrong?

Not throwing down the gauntlet, just trying to comprehend (and for the record, I'm not in favor of outlawing porn).

People can "get off without all the mumbo jumbo that comes with interacting with another person" by simply masturbating, not sure why porn is necessary for that. 

Erotic art isn't porn.

I know next to nothing about gay porn, so I'm staying out of that one.

Of course erotic art is porn.  And when did "necessary" come into it?  Popcorn isn't necessary to watch a movie, but it's nice.