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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #330 on: October 07, 2012, 05:30:46 am »
Here is their actual mission statement:

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The Susan G. Komen for the Cure promise: to save lives and end breast cancer forever by empowering people, ensuring quality of care for all and energizing science to find the cures.
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #331 on: October 07, 2012, 05:32:09 am »
Please don't feel like you have to keep arguing to humor me; I'm about to go to bed anyway.
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #332 on: October 07, 2012, 11:07:24 pm »
One last thing; I HATE those "save the tatas" bumper stickers (which are not in any way affiliated with Komen, FYI), because curing breast cancer isn't about saving breasts, it's about saving people from dying.

I know that and you know that and everyone HERE knows that...But you have to market it to AmericaTM, which has been conditioned to not care when people die, just when things THEY like go away.

And there's the "I <3 BOOBIES" rubber bracelets, which fall into the same category.
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #333 on: October 08, 2012, 01:28:28 am »
Todd Akin told me breast cancer only happens to porn stars and other fornicators.
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #334 on: April 05, 2021, 07:03:54 pm »
Yeah, so.  I like porn.  I suppose that's no surprise.  I've watched a lot of it, and a lot of different kinds.

These kinds of threads make me uncomfortable, which means I've got some thinking to do.

I'm going to admit that I'm most likely deluding myself, but there are a few actresses who really, really give off the impression that they're reasonably happy about their choice of careers.  There are also those who are directing themselves in their scenes, which gives them some control about what they're doing.  I'm thinking about people like Bobbi Starr, Belladonna, and Joanna Angel. 

I know there's a huge amount of porn where both actors are completely dead behind the eyes, and a disturbingly large amount of it is explicitly violent towards women, and there's quite a bit that's more or less geared towards non-consent (they film her saying she's willing, and then do their hardest to make her tap out and quit).  But let me be clear, that doesn't turn me on.

I realize that this is an area where my pride of being a rationalist is threatened; reason would dictate that even if sex-positive pornography existed, it would be a very very small portion of an industry that harms almost everyone who participates in it.  And yet, I watch.

9 years later:

There is no ethical consumption.  Everything you want to do was in some way connected to exploitation.

It's like deciding you have to cancel David Bowie because one night in the 70s he was high as a kite after a show and slept with a groupie that turned out to be 15 years old.  Or realizing that Hunter S Thompson regularly beat his wife.  Or that HP Lovecraft was a ferocious bigot.  If you have to cancel all artists that don't have a dirtbag component to their lives, you simply will not have any art to appreciate.

Porn is still exploitation.  But so is damn near anything else.  The very clothes you are wearing and the device that you are reading this on were almost certainly made by slaves.  If you use palm oil for anything, it was made by slaves (and the ones that say they don't employ slaves are technically telling the truth, it's just that they buy the raw goods off of the companies that do use slaves.)

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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #335 on: April 06, 2021, 09:28:22 am »
So, wait, I'm good to resume jacking off to swap.avi again now? Happy days! :lulz:
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #336 on: April 07, 2021, 05:00:45 pm »
This is a remake of a lost rant I wrote in response to someone saying porn was "empowering" to women.  I can't find the original, so I'm re-writing it now.

The life-cycle of the average porn starlet.

Okay, so there's this 18 year old girl, fresh off the bus and ready for her new life in The City.  She's hoping to land a job as a waitress or whatever, until she can get her first big break in modeling or film or whatever.

At some point, she meets someone who says they can get her some big money NOW, making "adult" films.  Then he names a figure.

Next thing you know, she's dragging down $600 a scene, pulling in several thousand a month.  Not bad money for a girl with no marketable skills in a town where a pretty face and $4 will get you a cup of coffee.

But it turns out that to make that much money, she needs to make a LOT of films.  So in her first year, she burns through a hundred low-rent flicks, easy.  This wears you down.  It's hard to get into it.  So she gets a little something to help her along.  Might be coke, more probably meth.

But now she's no longer a fresh face.  She's known, and her value starts to drop.  So she has to do more and more bizarre things to get on camera.  Starts with anal, goes downhill from there.

6 months later, she's thinking to herself, "If I let that guy piss on me and then drag me into the shower, I could make rent." 

6 months after THAT, she's thinking a little differently.  "If I let those guys choke me out and put their cigs out on my back, I might get enough to score."  By this point she looks 40, and her skin looks like that of a cadaver.  Her eyes are dead, like two burned out light bulbs.

A few weeks later, she's been sold to a pimp for her drug debts, and she's hooking to score.  Statistically speaking, she's dead in 3 years, tossed in a convenient dumpster.

Then there's the next 18 year old girl, fresh off the bus and ready for her new life in The City.  She's hoping to land a job as a waitress or whatever, until she can get her first big break in modeling or film or whatever.

Rinse, repeat.

So when you feel the need to tell me porn is "empowering" to women, take a moment instead to SHUT UP.  What porn IS, is turning a human being into a commodity.  It is trading in human misery.  It is about as "empowering" to the woman as being enslaved was "empowering" to the Black population of the 1800s America.  It's sordid, when you look at it that way, and about as sexy as watching monsters waterboard people at Gitmo.

That's all I have to say.

This is all very true. I'll add to it that often times its the 'middle american cam girl who gets a free plane ticket out to florida' routine these days. They like to isolate them, wow them, and then throw them in the hull of a shitty fishing boat and sex traffic their asses out to other nations where 'American sluts' fetch a hefty delivery fee, and are sold into straight up slavery. So your analogy to the 1800s is very accurate.

This is why any male who advocates that 'sex work is real work' is suspect for 'fighting for woman's right to sell him her ass', and most likely not much else in the way of being an 'ally'. I for one would prefer to help build an environment where women dont have to resort to such measures in life.

Of course I do have to concede that there are women out there who have beat the bad system and are camming for fun and profit and even making porn without any personal exploitations. These exceptions are strictly Solo players, and the Monogamous Couples who beat the system and only do things for themselves, and maybe sell the finished product to various distributors.

HOWEVER, on top of that 1% of 'beat the system' players out there, EVERYONES work is stolen, repackaged, redistributed, and sold in various world markets, and clip sites for ad dollars, without permission or compensation to the makers. There is no system in place to protect content in that market place. Anyone can bot scoop files off clip sites, and live feeds straight off cam sites, then sell those works and nothing is going to stop them. So in the end there is no way to avoid exploitation 100%.

The only good anyone can do is make efforts to keep individual people safe, pay living wages for regular jobs, and continue to destroy anyone involved in the global trafficking operations any way possible. Which is crazy hard to do as they get women from anywhere they can including underage kids in orphanage/foster care systems here in the united states, which are often run by evangelical billionaires who employ their extended families in these 'non profit' tax shelter operations.

Betsy DeVos is one of these people. Her brother Eric Prince owns the Blackwater  mercenary army / illegal arms dealers network, while Betsy was scooping migrant children out of cages and trafficking them to fuck knows who and billing the taxpayer $700, per day, for each child stolen from their parents.

The shit runs deep and everyday 'turn a bitch out' porn is just the tip of an iceberg of pure fucking evil.
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #337 on: April 08, 2021, 09:53:02 am »
I'm still not 100% convinced that all the arguments against porn aren't actually arguments against assholes. Most porn is sick and exploitative is no different from most music is totally unlistenable bullshit or most art is just some fuckhead shitting paint on a canvas for a paycheck. Difference wi porn in the west is there's 2000+ years of weird catholic guilt and repression added to the mix and that drives it more underground than shiny pop starlets doing a line or two to get them through the gig. Sex is badwrong and evil by papal decree so it stands to reason that mostly shady fuckers will be involved in it. There's a ton of good porn out there but it's buried under a million tons of crap. Just like there's a ton of good music and a ton of good art. If someone does something totally cunty to another human being they should be stomped, whether that's dumping a bunch of preteens in a shipping container and hoping half of them make it to the warehouse or pointing guns at them and telling them do dig up rare earth minerals for apples latest underpowered shiny bullshit.
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Re: The Porn Princess Rant, Re-Written
« Reply #338 on: April 09, 2021, 02:32:18 am »
I think folks who see "sex work is work" as bullshit are in denial about how badly most work sucks.  Yes, sex work is awful. Like much awful work it pays well.  Treating it differently than toxic waste disposal, or drug dealing is counter productive.

Eliminating sex work is probably impossible and trying and failing to do so makes life worse for sex workers.  Hiring a hooker or going to a strip club, or paying for porn is absolutely supporting exploitation and probably also supporting rape, but getting the cops involved will only make things worse for the victims and probably give the exploiters another tool to enforce obedience.