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Started by Dildo Argentino, September 25, 2012, 05:36:58 PM

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#15
September 25, 2012, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: holist on September 25, 2012, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 25, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
1. The porn discussion had covered all the points you raised by the time you arrived to the conversation, and much of the heat you got was because people are annoyed by someone who wants to retrace steps through known territory. You raised no new points, and people were uninterested in rehashing the same conversation that just took place. Furthermore, you were being borderline obstinate in your remarks which doesn't work out very well.

2. Everyone is already familiar with the figurative use of "prostitute" to mean anyone who must do something uncomfortable for a living. Your insistence on this as if it is not something already well established causes people to question your motive. There's no additional equation to be made beyond the superficial, figurative sense of the word. There is no equality between experiences, so stop trying to create one.

3. PDCOM, Inc., or one of its various subsidiaries, will be happy to reimburse you for the cost of the boot you have apparently lost inside the carcass of this horse, but you're going to have to step away from the horse to receive the compensation.

That is oh so magnanimious and lenient of you, and it would be so great to step away from the horse and claim my reward, except... it's not actually true.

I'm often guilty of being vague and roundabout in the way I manage to write things down. Hopefully, that will improve with practice.

However,  right now I think it is very clear that:

1. My suggestion that there are similarities between working in the sex-industry and working in freelance brain-leasing (or person-leasing, as in the performing arts) beyond both being forms of wage-slavery had not been discussed in the porn discussion before I introduced it, and neither was my suggestion following from it, namely that the question of what makes sex-work somehow icky and how much of that is that specific to sex-work only is unclear and worthy of investigation.

2. I was, despite everyone being familiar with the figurative use of the word, told off for using it that way. Also, I offered arguments as to why there are parallels, similarities ("equality" was a straw man, I did not claim that, closest I came was "not all that different"). You state that "there is no additional equation to be made beyond the superficial, figurative use of the word". Please argue, and shoot down my arguments, or just give up (walk away from the horse you don't even want to kick anymore).

3.  :lulz:  :lulz:  :lulz: I refuse to believe that you (or anyone) can actually speak for "PDCOM, Inc., or one of its various subsidiaries".

And the 33% extra free: I was talking to 4 other people. And Roger. When suggested, I came over here. What's it to you, really?  :lulz:

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#16
September 25, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: holist on September 25, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 25, 2012, 06:59:17 PM
All prostitutes are happy people.  I've seen it in movies.  Sort of like how all London children are loveable scamps and Uncle Albert was that way because he was HAPPY, not ON DRUGS.

As I said, and Roger. And a half.  :lulz:

I'm off to read a rant.

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#17
September 25, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
So, I see this didn't turn into a wage slavery thread, it's just more crying and carrying on by Holist because he didn't get to join the Oppressed Club as a full member.

Well done, Holist.  You are a fucking GENIUS.  You should be put up for the Nobel Prize for Pseudoscience, and go on the lecture circuit.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Dildo Argentino

#18
September 25, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 25, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
So, I see this didn't turn into a wage slavery thread, it's just more crying and carrying on by Holist because he didn't get to join the Oppressed Club as a full member.

Well done, Holist.  You are a fucking GENIUS.  You should be put up for the Nobel Prize for Pseudoscience, and go on the lecture circuit.

Well actually I tried it. Wasn't really my thing, AND I got kicked out of the Oppressed Club.
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

The Good Reverend Roger

#19
September 25, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
Quote from: holist on September 25, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 25, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
So, I see this didn't turn into a wage slavery thread, it's just more crying and carrying on by Holist because he didn't get to join the Oppressed Club as a full member.

Well done, Holist.  You are a fucking GENIUS.  You should be put up for the Nobel Prize for Pseudoscience, and go on the lecture circuit.

Well actually I tried it. Wasn't really my thing, AND I got kicked out of the Oppressed Club.

But why?  Your work is just as degrading as prostitution, right?  MORE.  I mean, you have to WORK, which is way worse than getting beaten up by pimps and shit.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Dildo Argentino

#20
September 25, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 25, 2012, 07:13:25 PM
What's it to me? Nothing. I'm just feeding the monkeys. That's what zoos are for, isn't it?

AAHHH! Cheers!
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Dildo Argentino

#21
September 25, 2012, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 25, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
But why?  Your work is just as degrading as prostitution, right?  MORE.  I mean, you have to WORK, which is way worse than getting beaten up by pimps and shit.

Well, yeah, you know, I was down with the programme... but then the lectures, the popularity, the money... I understand they had to kick me out.
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

The Good Reverend Roger

#22
September 25, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
This is the part where Holist runs away from his bullshit with "jokes", assuming that we will not of course remember every asshole thing he said.

Well, at least *I* will.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#23
September 25, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
I'm still trying to figure out his point.

Is it, "Anything anyone does for money is inherently a bad thing" which would then put office work and porn on a sliding scale?

Dildo Argentino

#24
September 25, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 25, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
This is the part where Holist runs away from his bullshit with "jokes", assuming that we will not of course remember every asshole thing he said.

Well, at least *I* will.

Right, right. Could you please point me at a piece of bullshit so I can attempt to do something other than run away from it, please?
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Dildo Argentino

#25
September 25, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 25, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
I'm still trying to figure out his point.

Is it, "Anything anyone does for money is inherently a bad thing" which would then put office work and porn on a sliding scale?


Close, but no cigar. Doing anything exclusively for money and for no other reason is inherently a bad thing (not necessarily the thing in itself, but doing it that way), which puts totally alienated  work near porn in that respect. Porn does also have something inherently troubling about it, probably due to the special status of sex in human life. These things do not contradict each other and can be both discussed.
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

The Good Reverend Roger

#26
September 25, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: holist on September 25, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 25, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
This is the part where Holist runs away from his bullshit with "jokes", assuming that we will not of course remember every asshole thing he said.

Well, at least *I* will.

Right, right. Could you please point me at a piece of bullshit so I can attempt to do something other than run away from it, please?

How about the point you're trying to make in this thread?   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#27
September 25, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Quotewhich puts totally alienated  work near porn in that respect

How near?

The Good Reverend Roger

#28
September 25, 2012, 07:44:40 PM
Quote from: holist on September 25, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 25, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
I'm still trying to figure out his point.

Is it, "Anything anyone does for money is inherently a bad thing" which would then put office work and porn on a sliding scale?


Close, but no cigar. Doing anything exclusively for money and for no other reason is inherently a bad thing (not necessarily the thing in itself, but doing it that way), which puts totally alienated  work near porn in that respect. Porn does also have something inherently troubling about it, probably due to the special status of sex in human life. These things do not contradict each other and can be both discussed.

WORKING A DAY JOB TO FEED YOUR KIDS IS THE SAME AS PROSTITUTION.

IF YOU CAN'T DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE TO MAKE MONEY, YOU ARE A PROSTITUTE.

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Hey, that sort of shoots the bottom out of your "happy hooker" theory, doesn't it?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#29
September 25, 2012, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 25, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Quotewhich puts totally alienated  work near porn in that respect

How near?

Now he's saying that porn and prostitution AREN'T healthy things?   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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