Wage Slavery

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Another thing I'm having a hard time with is that this guy actually quotes from current porn actors self-promotion blogs as "evidence". Is he trolling, or just really REALLY bad at that whole "credibility" concept?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Another thing I'm having a hard time with is that this guy actually quotes from current porn actors self-promotion blogs as "evidence". Is he trolling, or just really REALLY bad at that whole "credibility" concept?

I'm not even worried about that, because I've stopped trying to have a discussion with him.  He can quote anything he likes, it makes no difference.

He's not on my AKK list, like Holist is, I just have no further need to read his posts.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Why are there so many people for who have no problem with personal liberties overriding someone's right to dignity, but not okay with someone's right to dignity overriding anyone's personal liberties? Either way, somebody's losing a piece of their sovereignty (if you want to see it that way), so why is there such resistance to "erring" on the side of the world not being full of assholes?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

so why is there such resistance to "erring" on the side of the world not being full of assholes?

Because the world is full of assholes.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Why are there so many people for who have no problem with personal liberties overriding someone's right to dignity, but not okay with someone's right to dignity overriding anyone's personal liberties? Either way, somebody's losing a piece of their sovereignty (if you want to see it that way), so why is there such resistance to "erring" on the side of the world not being full of assholes?

That's a great question.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Another thing I'm having a hard time with is that this guy actually quotes from current porn actors self-promotion blogs as "evidence". Is he trolling, or just really REALLY bad at that whole "credibility" concept?

I'm not even worried about that, because I've stopped trying to have a discussion with him.  He can quote anything he likes, it makes no difference.

He's not on my AKK list, like Holist is, I just have no further need to read his posts.

Holist still wins, possibly an all-time win, for appealing to authority regarding his depth of knowledge on Marx by saying it's because he went to school with a picture of him. 



I am never gonna get over that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Another thing I'm having a hard time with is that this guy actually quotes from current porn actors self-promotion blogs as "evidence". Is he trolling, or just really REALLY bad at that whole "credibility" concept?

I'm not even worried about that, because I've stopped trying to have a discussion with him.  He can quote anything he likes, it makes no difference.

He's not on my AKK list, like Holist is, I just have no further need to read his posts.

Holist still wins, possibly an all-time win, for appealing to authority regarding his depth of knowledge on Marx by saying it's because he went to school with a picture of him. 



I am never gonna get over that.

What?  Where?  I totally missed that one.

[Ayotollah of Ass]

So, if someone has a "real, legitimate need" to slap people around, that's okay?  I mean, I'm just trying to understand where ONE PERSON'S needs suddenly justificate exploitation of OTHER peoples' bodies.

Also, I have made a real effort to be civil with you, but you are being deliberately insulting and dismissive...talking about the constant reitteration of "You People claim to seek reality, but".  I think I'm done being civil, now.  Enough is enough.

Is there no relevant difference between slapping someone and watching a masturbation video?

The second is a valid point. It's hard not to slip into a deliberately insulting and dismissive mode when I'm having my ass constantly chapped for nonsense, such as the unfair comparison above, supposedly not reading posts, etc., etc. But, you are right. I need to do a better job of keeping it out or not get involved here. In any event, only reentered this discussion for Phox, and I guess that was a mistake. So, moving along.

[Cain]

What?  Where?  I totally missed that one.

It's back on page 7 somewhere.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Holist, have you actually read Marx? I am just curious because of the odd inconsistency of equating the freelance writer to the alienated wage slave when, according to Marx, the writer would be an example of a non-alienated worker who is directly in control of and intimately in contact with his product, from inception to completion. Can you explain a little more about where you are coming from with that?

Yes, I have. Not all of it, that would be excessively kinky in my book. But as I grew up in a country that was at the time declaring itself communist, then socialist, where I was forced to learn Russian from age 10 and spent all school dos under massive portraits of the three bearded guys
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I think I've had a more thorough grounding in the ideology and the practical aspects of Marxism than most Western fashion-lefties.

I'm not saying freelance brainwork is necessarily alienated (and I don't think sex-work is necessarily alienated, either, though I fully agree that counterexamples must be extremely rare). I guess the point I am trying to get to is that while the factors that drive the worker towards alienation in those two fields are massively different in scale, they are somewhat similar in structure (see my numbered points in the OP).

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Another thing I'm having a hard time with is that this guy actually quotes from current porn actors self-promotion blogs as "evidence". Is he trolling, or just really REALLY bad at that whole "credibility" concept?

I'm not even worried about that, because I've stopped trying to have a discussion with him.  He can quote anything he likes, it makes no difference.

He's not on my AKK list, like Holist is, I just have no further need to read his posts.

Holist still wins, possibly an all-time win, for appealing to authority regarding his depth of knowledge on Marx by saying it's because he went to school with a picture of him. 



I am never gonna get over that.

What?  Where?  I totally missed that one.

Oh my god, I'll find it. It's PRICELESS.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, you already did. ISN'T THAT AMAZING???

[Cain]

As everyone knows, in the capitalist west the reading of Marx and study of Communist history are forbidden by the ruling Supreme Chambers of Commerce.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh, you already did. ISN'T THAT AMAZING???

Have I mentioned that I keep a picture of Richard Feynman in my living room?  I am now an expert on advanced physics.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As everyone knows, in the capitalist west the reading of Marx and study of Communist history are forbidden by the ruling Supreme Chambers of Commerce.

More to the point:  We don't have enough pictures of Marx, Engels, and Lenin.